Slaven Bilic named as West Ham Manager (09.06.15)

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  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    I remember it well.
  • SwissironSwissiron
    this is a surprisingly good post from the c&h. A grasp of perspective maintains sanity
  • KingHammerAbroadKingHammerAbroad
    Serious questions need to be answered!

    How much more time should Bilic get?

    Our worst start in 14 years, most goals shipped at this point of the season for 28 years.

    14 in the last 4 games... most importantly not all against "top teams", Citeh fair enough, but Watford, west Brom and Southampton?
  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    Another one if our "winnable" games where we've been embarrassed
  • HammerdublinHammerdublin
    We need somebody who can sort the team out, and Bilic is not the man. He is an inspirational manager; when things work well his teams can produce miracles. Not so when things go wrong: in this situation he has no clue. Last year he motivated the players; this year they look disinterested. Whatever he tries, we are getting more of the same.

    There's still time to replace Bilic, and I think we should do so rather sooner than later. If we keep him, things will unravel following the Abraham Grant scenario.
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    edited September 2016
    Feel the opposite, Dublin.

    If we become a knee-jerk, sack the manager every 5 bad results club, what are we?

    I've supported West Ham for 45 years, and for most of those years we haven't been very good, but I romantically thought we stood for something beyond short-term success.

    Maybe sacking John Lyall spelled the end of that, but I still want us to be better than that.

    I can forgive us being rubbish (lord knows, I've had the practice), but I can't forgive us being classless.
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    Bilic should stay.

    Getting rid would be like throwing the baby out with the bath water.
  • HammerdublinHammerdublin
    If there's a choice between being relegated with Bilic and survival with another manager, it is obvious what I would have chosen, classless or not classless. If we get nothing from the next three games, Bilic will have to go, as simple as that.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited September 2016
    No. He has to have at least until January.

    I hate all that knee-jerk sacking after a few bad results.

    Realistically, in a season, how many do we (a club like us) expect to lose? 15? How many draw... and win...

    Getting rid of the manager after 6 losses is a really bad decision. I'd go further - a pathetic decision. Especially when we have key players coming back from injury.

    tbh, I'm less embarrassed by our results and more by the calls for the manager to be sacked. (Not that there are any on here yet, that I've seen.... but elsewhere, on forums with less class ;biggrin )
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    Absolutely
  • sweepy23sweepy23
    Bilic stays ;pray
  • KingHammerAbroadKingHammerAbroad
    edited September 2016
    Mrs Grey,

    I'm not saying he should be sacked right now but something has to change.

    Our next 3 games are Middlesbrough at home, Palace away and Sunderland at home, all winnable games realistically imo... say we don't win any of them, would you think he still deserves to stay in a job? Personally I would say No
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    KHA

    If we don't win any of the next 3 games I'd be more inclined to sack the players.

    Antonio letting Austin run past him (and possibly Adrian not getting down quickly enough) and Kouyate Cruyff turning into trouble when surrounded by 3 Soton players: how, exactly, is that Slav's fault?
  • KingHammerAbroadKingHammerAbroad
    edited September 2016
    Grey,

    We are stuck with this squad till at least January, most of which I'm sure Bilic wanted with a few Sully specials thrown in. It's Bilic's job to motivate them and set the team up tactically, if the players don't follow his tactics then they should be dropped... but this has to come from the top down, after all he is employed to manage the team, right?
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    KHA, I'd still probably say yes, all other things being equal.

    Actually, I do like him, but slightly more worrying is that I am starting to question a teeny bit his judgement in the new signings.

    Although he still has a lot of credit in he bank for Payet, obviously ;ok

    Hopefully they'll turn out to be as wonderful, but just needing (as is often the case) a bit longer to settle. (Hopefully they will follow in Payet's footsteps, rather than Maiga's...)

  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    KHA

    The majority of the players who have turned out for us in recent games were the same lot who did so well for us last year.

    Bilic certainly has to take responsibility, but so do the players.

    Bilic can't stop them making stupid, stupid, schoolboy errors.
  • Putney_HammerPutney_Hammer
    Well I'm sure the board are starting to panic now and all of a sudden Roberto Mancini is being spouted about. Probably rumours but they know relegation is not an option so wouldn't be surprised if we lose to boro its bye bye Slav.
  • VorselaarhammerVorselaarhammer
    Slaven Bilic: 'I am worried. I’m not going to lie to you, of course I’m worried'
  • claretandblueskyclaretandbluesky
    It would be ludicrous to sack a man after six matches who had just given us our best season since god knows when.

    He is passionate and seems to love winning football matches.

    He may come through this or he may get sacked but this is his first crisis and we are his teams supporters, how can we do anything but get behind him in a serious way and support. I would like to see super Slav being sung loud at the next match before the first whistle, he will hear it and know we are with him and the players will know it and know we haven't turned.

    Now if we get to January and things have not improved there may be a case to assess his position but in September there is only one thing to do and that is get behind him and give the guy a chance to come through a crisis, all great managers have needed come through a crisis, in fact being able to is part of which makes them great. Lets at least see if Slav has what it is to be a great manager.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited September 2016
    Have an Agree ;ok


    I for one am a bit ;hmm when the press are all ;carew about Pep or such like.

    What adversity have they had to overcome?

    What difficulties have they had to contend with?

    Let's get behind the team and the manager. Be supporters, rather than so-called fans who are so full of their own sense of entitlement that they head for the exits if things don't go their way.

    When the going gets tough ..... man* up!


    *Other gender and non-gender specific terms, of equal value, are available.
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    edited September 2016
    I'm Slaven's man

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    He's got a friend in me.

  • HammerdublinHammerdublin
    I like Slaven too, make no mistake about it. But he has to do his job. He was OK with the team inherited from Big Sam but now things have changed, he has got new players who don't perform and he doesn't seem to be able to motivate anybody. I don't think the current team members want to play for him - not at the moment, anyway. He will have to change things quickly, perhaps change the system. We have three winnable games coming and we will have to improve dramatically. Otherwise bye bye Slaven.
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    The Davids have only replaced a manager midseason once, Trevor Francis and that was a mutual so my guess is they'll stick with Slaven unless he thinks it's time to go.

    We had enough trouble replacing Sam, I doubt if finding a replacement for Slaven would be any easier and in the meantime who would be left running the team? Julian?
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    edited September 2016
    Its a results business if he loses the next 3 then he will be a gonna unfortunately.

    Still don't think he has managed the team right. Nordveit at right back. No Ogbonna and Reid at CB. Not dropping Noble or Kouyate. Continuing with Zaza. Countinuing with Adrian.
    Bilic needs to man up and start dropping players, especially ones that are costing us 3 or 4 goals a game!
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    So if he wins the next 3 he should get a new contract then? ;hmm
  • jay_in_cptjay_in_cpt
    Iron Herb not sure anyone said that ;hmm
    But if the next 3 PL games are all losses it would be hard to see anything else than him going.
    Said that I really hope Slav comes through this, not just for the team but himself, he is the 1st manager of our club to really get me excited in years...
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Totally disagree jay. This is such a knee jerk reaction.
  • WHU_Champo_league_in_7_yearsWHU_Champo_league_in_7_years
    Think it's a knee jerk reaction atm but if as Yeold says we lose 3 more then that's 7 (!!!!!) Losses in the league in the row which is disgraceful so yes, I think Slaven will be lucky to be still in a job

    3 points after 9 games deserves a sacking, that's a quarter of the season gone already

    Adrian we haven't exactly been against the cream of the crop in the league

    WBA, Watford, Souhtmpatin with Boro next all should be winnable especially at home and we are getting trounced not just beaten, trounced
  • jay_in_cptjay_in_cpt
    Ok Iron Herb, if and I prey it isn't but if 7 losses in a row is not enough to be sacked , how many?
    As said I want Slav to remain and get thru this difficult time, but in today's world how much longer would he get ;hmm
  • HammerexHammerex
    I can't make out why we are so bad. Slav got the team playing so well last season
    so why are we so poor. Almost the same players from last season plus some new recruits. Can't blame it on the pitch being bigger, as it didn't seem to affect us when we were away, last season. Payet hasn't been right since the Euro's which
    hasn't helped either. We have to face up to the fact we are in serious trouble and if we don't respond quickly we could be having a day out at Brighton next season.
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