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Which he never has, so far.
Despite his dodgy fascist MEP friends illegally claiming EU money to help him.
However, even if Tories have done something that breaches Tory party rules (or other rules - as I say, I haven't read about that yet), one in no way imo justifies or excuses the other.
All we can therefore conclude (if both scenarios are upheld) is that 2 lots of political groups have falsely claimed money they weren't entitled to.
Which is something I disapprove of.
(Edit, I lied - I'm not going to google until morning because it's 10pm here and I'm going to watch TV and drink ;redwine instead ;biggrin )
;doh
Try this: -
https://www.channel4.com/news/by/michael-crick/blogs/electoral-commission-act-tory-thanet-expenses
Reminded me of a novel about internment is one read an excerpt from and want to follow up on.
This is just brilliant.
Although I'm not clear on the difference between spending limits and expenses. Seems the blogger might be blurring the amounts in each category. Worth a bit more digging. ;ok
And even if they overspent and fiddled the books, can we say it was 'to defeat Farage', when based on the outcome of the precious election, Labour was the main challenge? UKIP was insignificant ;hmm
(I really need to check over my spelling before posting)
https://www.channel4.com/news/by/michael-crick/blogs/electoral-commission-act-tory-thanet-expenses
I do not wish to belittle the claims made as there are serious issues abounding, but I did read this with a sense of whimsical bemusement, it struck me as a very British scandal.
A dispute over a £15,000 hotel bill ran up over a period of weeks - did they brazenly breach limits, and somehow cover it up with judicious accounting etc.
In just the month of July, way before thing ramped up to serious proportions, Hillary spent $38million and Trumpty Dumpty spent $18millon - including $430,000 in red baseball caps.
All in all it is speculated that the two presidential campaigns spent close to $5.8 Billion.
Now that is a proper expense bill
;wink
Since then (I have discovered) the Electoral Commission have launched an investigation in conjunction with police. They went to court in June to get (I think) access to more documents, and to get an extension for the investigation to continue.
They haven't reported on the outcome yet.
There abounds much speculation that if a certain number of Tories lose their seats over this (the election results in that area being declared void) there could be scenes of terrible devastation. Bye-elections. No Tory majority. etc. ;wahoo
And although it can't negate the referendum, it could certainly encourage those who think it should be re-run ;wink
Why would that encourage those who want re-run of the referendum vote, just because it did not go their way? It has already been stated by all the main parties it will not be re-run - ;hmm there's a thought, what would happen if it was and the leave vote was even bigger, after all, the one thing that has been disproved from the last remain campaign is ..... almost everything, so a new project fear would not work and people would not trust and information from them in a new campaign. ;wink
As for things that have been disproved both campaigns seem to have been slightly dubious; £350m for the NHS?????
PS shouldn't this be in the "UK is out" discussion rather than the US one?
Admeus, I can imagine it encouraging those who want a re-run of the referendum (of which I am not one) because if the Tories hadn't won the election, there wouldn't have been a referendum in the first place. They won with a 12 seat majority. If the results of the current 29-seat investigation conclude that a number of seats weren't won fair and square... well, you can work it out, I'm sure.
I can't help but wonder how President Trump would have dealt with the Cuban Missile Crisis.
It was only after Eisenhower bowed to pressure from the United Fruit Co that he became a communist
Imagine if we had to pay for recounts in the UK, so much for the Land of the Free!
Maybe when Trump said the election was rigged he knew that because his mate Putin had told him it would be.
Trump says "the people have spoken", perhaps some of them were speaking Russian!
IF a recount does throw up doubt on the original result then the legal repurcussions will be never ending - and heaven only knows what the final bill be.
Trump arguing against a recount is utter hypocrisy since he was the one raised the issue of voter fraud and rigged elections in the first place. If he seriously suspects that there was voter fraud in any state then he can pay for his own recounts, put his money where his mouth is.
A man unable to separate out fantasy from reality will be advising the new president on what are or are not real security dangers...