Official - some people can't let Sam Allardyce go (counselling available, reasonable fees.)

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  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    edited October 2015
    Twist

    It could come from the Pope for all that matters.

    The rules are still the rules, and it helps if people stick to them, rather than expecting someone else to clean up after them.

    Luke

    But my admission also includes the fact that my opinion of him was based on a lazy acceptance of the general meejah view, rather than any real knowledge of how his teams actually played.

    Having watched most of our games over the last three years, I wouldn't accept Twist's or Hutton's valuations of his managerial abilities or personal qualities.

    I think to make such general statements you have to ignore an awful lot of what we did over those three years.
  • Ravel49Ravel49
    Mackems scarvab
  • PrestonHammer1974PrestonHammer1974
  • Slaven_Cups_His_BeardSlaven_Cups_His_Beard
    The problem with Sam's view is that it is a very simplistic view, and outdated by about 20 years.

    His view is that, even if you have 3 shots at home to Stoke and 35% possession, fans should be more than satisfied if it results in a 1-0 win.

    It's why, ultimately, he's only ever managed Bolton, Newcastle, Blackburn, West Ham and Sunderland, despite claims he could manage bigger clubs or England, and why he's never won anything. Don't get me wrong, he's a solid manager and his CV in terms of clubs managed is very good, but he will retire a manager who never really achieved anything in the game beyond survival. Of course, he's likely to blame that on other factors unrelated to him.

    He is a good manager, and I can see him starting off with a 0-1 win on Saturday and doing well at Sunderland, but clubs like Newcastle and WHU are more historic clubs with traditions. If you want to be your own man, fine, but don't moan when you get a bit of stick. Or don't embarrass yourself and claim you're way is a winning way and then finish the season with 3 wins in 21.

    You can try and brush tradition under the carpet and pretend it never existed, or ridicule it, but you will rub certain people up the wrong way by doing so. Can you imagine Klopp going into LFC and dismissing all they stand for?
    I agree with all of this

    #CaseClosed
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    Ye old

    I don't agree. if Bilic loses three games . The fans will know he is trying to play good football and that he can change the way he plays and his players.
    Bilic also will not start saying the fans are deluded.

    As a West Ham fan you can put up with losing as long as you know the manager and players are trying to win.

    It's much better than just trying not to lose every week!!!
    Sorry cannot agree, i saw after Bournemouth and Leicester the complete meltdown on many forums. People Correlate "not winning" with "not playing attacking / good football." There were Boo's during the Bournemouth game and this was 3 games into the league.
  • Slaven_Cups_His_BeardSlaven_Cups_His_Beard
    As a West Ham fan you can put up with losing as long as you know the manager and players are trying to win
    Question : why did Curbs get BOO'd the?

    #YouDontKnowWhatYoureDoing
  • HuttonhammerHuttonhammer
    Grey

    I believe in everything I say.

    What bit has been exaggerated !!
  • Slaven_Cups_His_BeardSlaven_Cups_His_Beard
    Izzy - do you seriously believe one bed-sheet away at WBA and the odd unpleasant chant is a hard time? He was here four years, and for 2.5 he had no problem. Then our results suffered around the Xmas period in the 2013/14 season (which came to a head when we lost 5-0 to Forest when he sent out the U21 side (with a couple of first team players). That form was a lot down to him, when he spent £15m on an injured AC and £6m on Downing, which left us with Maiga and then Cole as forwards.
    In comparison to previous managers, what they did and where they got us from where they were originally...then no I don't believe he got an "easy" ride, like you do.

    He was hated by many (rightly or wrongly) the moment he walked in the door, staying around for 4 years just helped some of them to start foaming at the mouth.

    He sent out 6 senior players in that game. Why not tell it how it was? Yes it was the wrong selection and the wrong mix, but why not be factual about it? Those senior players were almost as much at fault that day.

    An injured AC which was due back 1st week of September, anyone else see a 5% repeat of the injury? Downing who he managed to change (somehow - perhaps it was Teddy) into a revelation for 17 games.


    I stand by he got an easy ride. This was a bloke who even grey admits he used to despise as a manager, who got the gig here and it all went pretty smoothly. He does get very precious over his reputation. I've seen him answer questions very prickly when questioned about long-ball, so I always look at that as an element of 'truth hurts'.
    I still argue it was far from an easy ride, did he help himself? Nope and I certainly wouldn't of said or implied some of the things he did.

    He plays a direct kind of football, lots of balls in the box playing the %'s and having a Nolan type figure to pick up the bits and pieces, is it long ball? Possibly yes abd that's what rankles with him

    ;ok
  • Ravel49Ravel49
    Quick ;wave to mrs Bilic if she's reading

    We will move on.... I think

    Tell your husband to grow back the beard ;ok
  • HuttonhammerHuttonhammer
    Slaven

    I went to many games and don't remember Curbishley being booed badly and often.

    Do you remember it specifically being bad?
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    Hutton

    Fair enough, but if you mean what you say then we can only agree to disagree, since our perceptions are so wildly apart it precludes discussion.
  • HuttonhammerHuttonhammer
    Grey

    Seriously . Who do you think you are asking me if I believe what I say!!

    I am free to give my opinion which a number of others agree with , a fair few it would seem .

    Why do you take such a dim view of others that don't agree with your view? I sometimes think you watch a different team to most on here .

    Just because people don't have the same view as you does not make them wrong.



  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    Bilic is very grounded, that's one of the things I like most about him. Even after the extraordinary away efforts he did not get carried away. And on the flip side, he took full responsibility for the European exit. Very admirable qualities in both victory and defeat.
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    Hutton

    Not sure why you feel the need to get shirty.

    Same as you, I'm entitled to say what I think.

    I asked it as a genuine quesiton, not to be snide.

    Now I know what you think, I know we have nothing to say to each other on this matter.
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    I bet Abramovuc wishes his manager entertains as much as ours does
  • Slaven_Cups_His_BeardSlaven_Cups_His_Beard
    Slaven

    I went to many games and don't remember Curbishley being booed badly and often.

    Do you remember it specifically being bad?
    Derby 2-1 home win

    "you don't know what you're doing"

    "BOO"

    #GreatestFansInTheWorld
  • Slaven_Cups_His_BeardSlaven_Cups_His_Beard
    I see the "Circle" managed to get the Agree/CMU's counters all working nicely, two and three for one type deals............for certain users.

    ;whistle
  • Slaven_Cups_His_BeardSlaven_Cups_His_Beard
    Grey

    I am free to give my opinion which a number of others agree with , a fair few it would seem .

    Mate, don't be fooled.

    That's just the "database".............there's a switch for that, looks like it's being flipped one way or the other all day.

    #Circle
  • Slaven_Cups_His_BeardSlaven_Cups_His_Beard
    Ha ha someone just went in and gave "Like" his seventh agree.....

    #Circle
    #DatabaseFix
  • Slaven_Cups_His_BeardSlaven_Cups_His_Beard
    Quick ;wave to mrs Bilic if she's reading

    We will move on.... I think

    Tell your husband to grow back the beard ;ok
    She's not got a logon yet....

    Lynn Allardyce is still trying to take her eye's off!!

    ;wave

  • woosiewoosie
    edited October 2015


    It's a conspiracy I tell yer ;hmm
    Ha ha someone just went in and gave "Like" his seventh agree.....

    #Circle
    #DatabaseFix

    Slav

    Now I see what happens at last

    Luke gets 'likes' (agrees) and the rest of us get 'Luke's' that don't show up
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    The idea that there is any kind of fiddling with Agrees or Cheered Me Ups is clearly absurd!
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited October 2015
    Blimey, next you'll be telling me that some people just Agree with any post that disagrees with mine, no matter what its content.

    #clearlyabsurd
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    ;lol

    #ninjafiddle
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    Who me? ;puzzled
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    Slaven

    I went to many games and don't remember Curbishley being booed badly and often.

    Do you remember it specifically being bad?
    I do.
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    and I agree with that ;hug ;lol
  • ironmike44ironmike44
    Suz - so do l.
  • Slaven_Cups_His_BeardSlaven_Cups_His_Beard
    edited October 2015
    The idea that there is any kind of fiddling with Agrees or Cheered Me Ups is clearly absurd!
    NOW THAT IS QUALITY

    ;clap

    Only downfall............

    #BottomOfThePage
    #SchoolBoyError
  • HamstewHamstew
    Grey now that's funny! ;lol ;clap
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