Official - some people can't let Sam Allardyce go (counselling available, reasonable fees.)

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  • Slaven_Cups_His_BeardSlaven_Cups_His_Beard
    Plenty of people out there think SA is actuslly talking to the media everyday about WHU right now.

    It's his book for crying out loud!
  • Slaven_Cups_His_BeardSlaven_Cups_His_Beard
    ;lol

    Wow, Sam. Can't you just let it go...

    ;whistle
    Probably has now (or maybe not)...but that was written months ago
  • Slaven_Cups_His_BeardSlaven_Cups_His_Beard
    Moojor

    Well at least you got a point ;lol
    Respect it!!

    ;biggrin
  • Slaven_Cups_His_BeardSlaven_Cups_His_Beard
    Lukerz,

    I think it's more the press going through his new book and picking out quotes from it, those which are most likely to get people to read their poor excuse for a paper.

    .
    Moojor knows

    ;bowdown
  • HuttonhammerHuttonhammer
    I think I have to get this off my chest.

    Big Sam was a boring manager whose team played boring football. His type of football is dead in an era where fans pay a fortune to be entertained .
    Setting up defensively in every game is why the players and fans were unhappy.

    If Big Sam thinks we were deluded then can he not see what we were all on about now we have a manager like Bilic?

    Bilic will not win every game but he has a personality and a sense of humor unlike Big Sam. He also believes you can win games by actually attacking the other side occasionally.

    My advice to Big Sam is to let the past go and carry on making the Sunderland fans as miserable as you did most of the West Ham fans in his last couple of seasons.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited October 2015
    Basically, his autobiography is being serialised in The Sun.

    So there will be a zillion and one 'stories' over the next few weeks, all based what the journos who are reading the coverage in The Sun think will be clickbait.

    Me, I'm not clicking.

    I'd prefer to either read the whole thing, or nothing at all, than rely on being drip fed what someone else thinks makes good headlines.
    as i pointed out a while back.

    Now I know how you feel, Izzy. ;lol


    (PS, I gave you an Agree ;biggrin )
  • Slaven_Cups_His_BeardSlaven_Cups_His_Beard
    If he thinks the WHU way is winning, then he has no clue. Bilic is doing a good job at understanding the WHU way. It ain't that hard.
    In order for some balance, this bit I agree with

    ;ok
  • Slaven_Cups_His_BeardSlaven_Cups_His_Beard
    edited October 2015
    The bloke got such an easy ride. In his four years, other than the odd chant here and there, the WHU were very patient and content. 30,000+ in the Champ, 34,000 in the PL, sell-out away fans, supporting the club, very few protests (look at Newcastle and Pards), he was applauded in his first match, cheered and applauded when it was announced he signed his new deal (I was as the game and cheered him). Despite several terrible results (6-0 at City, 5-0 at Forest etc) he was never really vilified
    However...... ;biggrin

    I'm struggling to see past this bit! No, I really am!

    #AngryBear
    #AllRise

    "Odd chant here and there"..... lol yep I can certainly remember when "get lost Sam Allardyce" was considered a glowing endorsement!

    "Very few protests".... chuckle.... "killing our club".

    "Look at NUFC and Pards".... 16 WHU blogs and forums got together to deliver the results of the biggest online poll about a manager in our history to the board!!
  • Slaven_Cups_His_BeardSlaven_Cups_His_Beard
    I think I have to get this off my chest.

    Big Sam was a boring manager whose team played boring football. His type of football is dead in an era where fans pay a fortune to be entertained .
    Setting up defensively in every game is why the players and fans were unhappy.

    If Big Sam thinks we were deluded then can he not see what we were all on about now we have a manager like Bilic?

    Bilic will not win every game but he has a personality and a sense of humor unlike Big Sam. He also believes you can win games by actually attacking the other side occasionally.

    My advice to Big Sam is to let the past go and carry on making the Sunderland fans as miserable as you did most of the West Ham fans in his last couple of seasons.
    Hutton nice to see you back fella....

    Agree with pretty much all of that......

    Trouble is he's sold the rights for some to publish excerpts from his book.
  • Slaven_Cups_His_BeardSlaven_Cups_His_Beard
    Basically, his autobiography is being serialised in The Sun.

    So there will be a zillion and one 'stories' over the next few weeks, all based what the journos who are reading the coverage in The Sun think will be clickbait.

    Me, I'm not clicking.

    I'd prefer to either read the whole thing, or nothing at all, than rely on being drip fed what someone else thinks makes good headlines.
    as i pointed out a while back.

    Now I know how you feel, Izzy. ;lol


    (PS, I gave you an Agree ;biggrin )
    And Mrs G knew

    ;bowdown

    Btw - twitter is almost in meltdown.....this is the power of the tabloid paper people. Look at the headline and ignore the bit that says "taken from Sam Allardyces book".

  • eskimokingeskimoking
    I just went on a Sunderland forum to look at their opinions of his appointment, which I'm not actually going to relay. Instead, after looking at that forum and the Palace one (in interest of the game this weekend) I have to ask, who are these people going around representing West Ham fans that are giving other teams the worst impression possible about us? Both sites claim that we are the most arrogant and self-righteous fans in the country!

    Seriously, I don't get it. I know very few hammers fans who fit the criticisms being thrown at us.
  • woosiewoosie
    Must be in the book that Grants writing eski ;ok
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    edited October 2015
    eski

    What you have to do is

    a) go onto a fan forum website

    b) find an obnoxious or patently ridiculous post

    c) extrapolate that view to every single fan of the relevant club

    #jobdone

    It's what the meejah do, too.

    How many times have you read 'West Ham fans...' and thought 'Who, me? ;nonono '
  • TwistandShoutTwistandShout
    edited October 2015
    "None of the players would admit it, but they used to sit in the dressing room at half-time going: 'Listen to them, never happy, slaughtering us all the time.'

    Poor little footballers, i feel so sorry for them ;weep

    #manup
  • HuttonhammerHuttonhammer
    edited October 2015
    West Ham's relationship with Big Sam is just like a couple that have stayed in a relationship that has gone wrong for far too many years.

    You both end up destroying a relationship that was very good and end up hating each other!!
  • TwistandShoutTwistandShout
    I think I have to get this off my chest.

    Big Sam was a boring manager whose team played boring football. His type of football is dead in an era where fans pay a fortune to be entertained .
    Setting up defensively in every game is why the players and fans were unhappy.

    If Big Sam thinks we were deluded then can he not see what we were all on about now we have a manager like Bilic?

    Bilic will not win every game but he has a personality and a sense of humor unlike Big Sam. He also believes you can win games by actually attacking the other side occasionally.

    My advice to Big Sam is to let the past go and carry on making the Sunderland fans as miserable as you did most of the West Ham fans in his last couple of seasons.
    This.
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    ^Not that^

    A reminder, please, that we don't allow masked swearing, not even if you are quoting from another source.
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    Twist

    I think we must have very different views on what 'support' means.
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    I think I have to get this off my chest.

    Big Sam was a boring manager whose team played boring football. His type of football is dead in an era where fans pay a fortune to be entertained .
    Setting up defensively in every game is why the players and fans were unhappy.

    If Big Sam thinks we were deluded then can he not see what we were all on about now we have a manager like Bilic?

    Bilic will not win every game but he has a personality and a sense of humor unlike Big Sam. He also believes you can win games by actually attacking the other side occasionally.

    My advice to Big Sam is to let the past go and carry on making the Sunderland fans as miserable as you did most of the West Ham fans in his last couple of seasons.
    If Bilic loses the next 3 games the moaning will be back in full force regardless of how well fans have taken to him. Doesn't matter if we play "attacking or good football" or how in touch with the fans the manager is. Results trump it all these days.
  • Slaven_Cups_His_BeardSlaven_Cups_His_Beard
    edited October 2015
    "None of the players would admit it, but they used to sit in the dressing room at half-time going: 'Listen to them, never happy, slaughtering us all the time.'

    Poor little footballers, i feel so sorry for them ;weep

    #manup
    BOO to you Twist.

    We were probably winning at the time, but it wasn't a 34 pass move with a 25 yard rabonna at the end. Had to do with an Andy Carroll header

    #DeludedAndTalk.......

    ;wink
  • Slaven_Cups_His_BeardSlaven_Cups_His_Beard
    I think I have to get this off my chest.

    Big Sam was a boring manager whose team played boring football. His type of football is dead in an era where fans pay a fortune to be entertained .
    Setting up defensively in every game is why the players and fans were unhappy.

    If Big Sam thinks we were deluded then can he not see what we were all on about now we have a manager like Bilic?

    Bilic will not win every game but he has a personality and a sense of humor unlike Big Sam. He also believes you can win games by actually attacking the other side occasionally.

    My advice to Big Sam is to let the past go and carry on making the Sunderland fans as miserable as you did most of the West Ham fans in his last couple of seasons.
    If Bilic loses the next 3 games the moaning will be back in full force regardless of how well fans have taken to him. Doesn't matter if we play "attacking or good football" or how in touch with the fans the manager is. Results trump it all these days.
    Some football manager somewhere once said "the only thing that unites football fans, is winning games"
  • LukerzLukerz
    edited October 2015
    The problem with Sam's view is that it is a very simplistic view, and outdated by about 20 years.

    His view is that, even if you have 3 shots at home to Stoke and 35% possession, fans should be more than satisfied if it results in a 1-0 win.

    It's why, ultimately, he's only ever managed Bolton, Newcastle, Blackburn, West Ham and Sunderland, despite claims he could manage bigger clubs or England, and why he's never won anything. Don't get me wrong, he's a solid manager and his CV in terms of clubs managed is very good, but he will retire a manager who never really achieved anything in the game beyond survival. Of course, he's likely to blame that on other factors unrelated to him.

    He is a good manager, and I can see him starting off with a 0-1 win on Saturday and doing well at Sunderland, but clubs like Newcastle and WHU are more historic clubs with traditions. If you want to be your own man, fine, but don't moan when you get a bit of stick. Or don't embarrass yourself and claim you're way is a winning way and then finish the season with 3 wins in 21.

    You can try and brush tradition under the carpet and pretend it never existed, or ridicule it, but you will rub certain people up the wrong way by doing so. Can you imagine Klopp going into LFC and dismissing all they stand for?
  • HuttonhammerHuttonhammer
    Ye old

    I don't agree. if Bilic loses three games . The fans will know he is trying to play good football and that he can change the way he plays and his players.
    Bilic also will not start saying the fans are deluded.

    As a West Ham fan you can put up with losing as long as you know the manager and players are trying to win.

    It's much better than just trying not to lose every week!!!
  • HuttonhammerHuttonhammer
    Ye old

    I don't agree. if Bilic loses three games . The fans will know he is trying to play good football and that he can change the way he plays and his players.
    Bilic also will not start saying the fans are deluded.

    As a West Ham fan you can put up with losing as long as you know the manager and players are trying to win.

    It's much better than just trying not to lose every week!!!
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    edited October 2015
    Hutton

    Serious question:

    Do you actually believe what you've written about Sam in this thread today, or are you just exaggerating for effect?
  • TwistandShoutTwistandShout
    ^Not that^

    A reminder, please, that we don't allow masked swearing, not even if you are quoting from another source.
    Was a copy and paste from an article from the telegraph ;ok
  • LukerzLukerz
    Izzy - do you seriously believe one bed-sheet away at WBA and the odd unpleasant chant is a hard time? He was here four years, and for 2.5 he had no problem. Then our results suffered around the Xmas period in the 2013/14 season (which came to a head when we lost 5-0 to Forest when he sent out the U21 side (with a couple of first team players). That form was a lot down to him, when he spent £15m on an injured AC and £6m on Downing, which left us with Maiga and then Cole as forwards.

    Last year he also had 0 issues until we started dropping points every week and the performances were poor. When we were in the top 8 in Feb and playing well, nobody moaned. I don't believe social media is an accurate place to assess popularity. You get a lot of loud numpties (kids who are school age etc) and an online poll was probably the worst it got for him, but many on here claimed it was irrelevant.

    I stand by he got an easy ride. This was a bloke who even grey admits he used to despise as a manager, who got the gig here and it all went pretty smoothly. He does get very precious over his reputation. I've seen him answer questions very prickly when questioned about long-ball, so I always look at that as an element of 'truth hurts'.
  • TwistandShoutTwistandShout
    At the end of the day he'll always be remembered from football fans as a long ball, arrogant manager who has an ugly approach to the game.

    (The general opinion of football fans, not specifically west ham...)
  • TwistandShoutTwistandShout
    edited October 2015
    Totally agree, Luke + Hutton ;ok
  • Ravel49Ravel49
    Wonder how they will line up

    Pantilimon

    Jones Kaboul O'Shea Van Aanholt

    Cattermole M'Vila

    Johnson Larsson Defoe/Borini

    Fletcher
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