Moyes In or Moyes Out

Slacker

I think I nodded off reading that answer Buffy.
😂
No offence meant obvs.😉

thornburyiron

Greenwood’s whole reign was in the top division (first) whilst Lyall’s had 2 spells in the old second division (now championship).

alderz

thornburyiron said:

Greenwood’s whole reign was in the top division (first) whilst Lyall’s had 2 spells in the old second division (now championship).

Didn’t Greenwood also manage cup games?

thornburyiron

Of course he did but if you ignore those, 2 FA Cup wins, a cup winners cup win and losing final, then his overall win percentage would probably equate to one of our worst ever managers.

alderz

thornburyiron said:

Of course he did but if you ignore those, 2 FA Cup wins, a cup winners cup win and losing final, then his overall win percentage would probably equate to one of our worst ever managers.

I’m not sure I understand what you’re saying, but the whole point was to compare win % in top flight league games, as it gives a consistent quality of opponent.

buffybegood

thornburyiron said:

Of course he did but if you ignore those, 2 FA Cup wins, a cup winners cup win and losing final, then his overall win percentage would probably equate to one of our worst ever managers.

Not being picky, but didn't Lyall manage us for the second FA Cup win and the loss in the Cup Winner's Cup final? Regardless, as alderz says above, I asked, and he has provided, stats for win percentages for top flight league games just to provide a somewhat fairer comparison of manager results.

thornburyiron

My point was by including FA cup and Cup winners cup victories in the statistics making up Greenwood’s 35.87% then his win rate in the league was probably a bit less.

IronHerb

alderz, can you please provide some stats on DM that make him look useless, as that appears what some are looking for? 🤷‍♂️

ASLEFshrugged

Greenwood's league record

61/62 W17 D10 L15 8th
62/63 W14 D14 L14 12th
63/64 W14 D12 L16 14th
64/65 W19 D4 L19 9th
65/66 W15 D9 L18 12th
66/67 W14 D8 L20 16th
67/68 W14 D10 L18 12th
68/69 W13 D18 L11 8th
69/70 W12 D12 L18 17th
70/71 W10 D14 L18 20th
71/72 W12 D12 L18 14th
72/73 W17 D12 L13 6th
73/74 W11 D15 L16 18th

Total W182 (33.33%) D150 (27.47%) L214 (39.19%)

1974 Greenwood was promoted to "general manager" with Lyall as "first team manager"

74/75 W13 D13 L16 13th
75/76 W13 D10 L19 18th
76/77 W11 D14 L17 17th

Total W37 (29.37%) D37 (29.37%) L52 (41.26%)

Overall total W219 (32.59%) D187 (27.83%) L266 (39.58%)

alderz

So, better than Allardyce but not as good as Bilic.

Lukerz

One thing you cannot say, at any point this season, that the players have stopped playing for Moyes. That speaks volumes for me.

Bazshuayi

No, they've not stopped playing for Moyes. They've just had a massive void before everything and the attack...

Ravel49

Lukerz said:

One thing you cannot say, at any point this season, that the players have stopped playing for Moyes. That speaks volumes for me.

You could argue that they never actually started 😜

steve

Unless we pick up in the second half ,Moyes must go

steve

Moyes out ,please please please

jay_in_cpt

He needs to go......if he doesn't....well...more fool the owners, this isn't a one off this has been a year or so in the making....think the saying, wake up and smell the roses comes to mind....PLEASE GO MOYES.

OutcastLondoner

Haven’t been able to watch the match unfortunately but it seems fair to say Herb isn’t getting the job.

PrestonHammer

Enough is enough. We've playing like this for now for 15 months. Unfortunately I think it's time for him to go.

Slacker

I just can’t agree that dumping Moyes now will solve it.

jay_in_cpt

Slacker said:

I just can’t agree that dumping Moyes now will solve it.

It might not you right, but are we heading in the right direction under him???? Personally don’t think we are

Lukerz

He’s not going anywhere this season

jay_in_cpt

Lukerz said:

He’s not going anywhere this season

🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮😉

steve

So after the villa game on the 12th we don't have a prem game until 2nd of April ,does that mean Moyes Wii be gone if we don't beat villa

claretandbluesky

I think you need a viable plan before sacking him and only the club know if that's in place. I presume at this point they have sounded out people discreetly or believe they could entrust Nolan and Noble possibly. Just getting rid and putting the ad in the job centre window is never a plan b.

OldCastleSwift

claretandbluesky said:

I think you need a viable plan before sacking him and only the club know if that's in place. I presume at this point they have sounded out people discreetly or believe they could entrust Nolan and Noble possibly. Just getting rid and putting the ad in the job centre window is never a plan b.

And therein lies the problem at the club, IMO. I don't think we have viable plans for many things. We don't seem the have a plan for our transfers, as we never seem to sign the players we actually need, and it would appear we have no succession plan in place for Moyes.

Brighton lost Potter but seemed to have De Zerbi ready to go. He joined ten days after Potter left and has transitioned seamlessly. Their transfer policy looks to work in a similar way. Given our form began to drop off over a year ago, I would have expected the board to have a list of potential, and viable, options to take over if that poor form continued.

But here we are, seemingly with no Plan B to a clearly struggling manager who has dragged us into a relegation battle.

steve

Bit surprised Scotty parker name has not come up

Bazshuayi

How about we just approach Potter. Do Chelsea a favour while we are at it. They can get in Enrique

alderz

There’s rumours that Chelsea will sack Potter and go for De Zerbi

steve

Would it really be to bad to replace Moyes with Noble until the end of the season ,He knows most of the players .give him some help and see where we are at the end of the season

buffybegood

steve said:

Would it really be to bad to replace Moyes with Noble until the end of the season ,He knows most of the players .give him some help and see where we are at the end of the season

I wondered whether a Noble/Brooking pairing could work, but Trev doesn't deserve this sort of mess to deal with.