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The 8 group runners up go into a qualifying knockout round with the 8 third placed teams from the Champions league.
If we can avoid that it would be good.
Had Soucek not scored the own goal we would already have won the group unless there were some freak results in the last two games.
Massive club.
Great second goal from Benrahma, straight out of the Melchester Rovers playbook. A point away in Europe is always a good point.
COYI
https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/player-of-the-week/#/
and Goal of the Week.
https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/goal-of-the-week/#/
Imagine being the stadium announcer and having to deal with that one...
As a jewish person when first reading it I thought...oh no, the foolish few making the rest of us feel embarrassed or ashamaed on their actions.....
So I tried to find it to see for myself, I only managed to get a 16 second version so I am not sure if that is the full extent of it....but if it is......
As a Jewish person I thought it was hilarious...
I understand I have to be so careful as what to say, as we all do, but what they were singing was not agressive or insulting, it was IMO simply over excited men....
The Jewish person onboard from what I saw on the clip was totally oblivious to the whole thing, from what I could see, whether this was the case I don't know....
I'm not sure where the complaint came from and by no way am I saying some any forms of discrimination/ abuse should be accepted, but as a Jewish person, I perosnally took no offence to what they were singing and thought it was a laugh...
It's sad that these people who IMO were not being aggressive or OTT, just probably had one beer too many and were having a laugh, yes, they should not have been singing this, but I really don't think it was meant to be abusive or discriminative or to make this Jewish person feel bad ( as said, from the clip I saw I don't think he had a clue, I think he probably thought it was football songs and wasn't even listening....
I want to make it clear again, I don't know if I saw the whole thing, but if that was the worst, well I was expetcing far worse.... ( I saw the clip via Mail Online..... )...
Thoughts......?....I feel somewhat sad that these fans might be banned based on what I saw, if that was it ?........
I personally disagree with your take. I think it’s horrible, aggressive behaviour towards a single man. He looks intimidated to me and seems to be moving away from them. At the least it’s bullying. He’s not engaged with it, he’s not a rival fan, there is no banter. It’s a group against a single man who is very visibly Jewish, which is why he’s been made a target. You could maybe argue those things might be ok as jokes amongst friends but not in this context, in my opinion. I don’t think it’s funny or acceptable at all.
In the scenario you give, jay, where you wouldn't be offended, their behaviour comes out as OK
In a scenario where someone feels threatened and victimised because of their race/religion, the behaviour is not ok.
But it's the same behaviour.
I think having a factor of 'how does someone feel about having these comments directed towards them' isn't helpful in trying to eliminate racial (and other discriminatory) remarks and actions.
My take on it.
PS, also 'intent' .. if someone makes a discriminatory slur thinking it's a joke/bantz .. or if they do it with a hate-filled intention, does this make the remark OK/not OK?
Imo, no.
(Yorkshire cricket?)
As I said a few times perhaps I did not see the full video, so I understand and mentioned if it did carry on I wasn't privy to that....
The part I saw was the " Frummer " was putting something in the overhead compartment.... Frummer, meaning religious Jew ( observant to the law ) something I am not TBH, I am 100% Jewish, both parents are/were Jewish.... The clip I saw he did not look he was even aware that he was the person they were singing a song about...
I do understand...I FULLY AGREE that discrimination is not acceptable on any levels... I'm Jewish & I'm gay, and proud of being both...My whole life, so I have seen and expreineced my fair share.......
I also agree with what you said....Mrs Grey, I get your point totally, I probably just expected it to be far, far worse..BUT .I fully get nothing is acceptable.....and singing a song on a plane probably wasn't the wisest thing to do.
It was my own thoughts and I was speaking on behalf of myself and not the Jewish community....
So If any other Jewish people or others were offended by what I said, I wish to apologise to these people...
As a Jewish person, I was not offended by the actual words that I heard these guys singing but I do understand it shouldn't have happened in the first place.....
And I think the fans on the plane were a disgrace.
If I had seen the full extent I would not have posted it in the 1st place.
The first video I saw was totally different…a very shortened version…
I only had seen the guy putting his baggage in the overhead compartment…
Then I managed to see the longer version, I wish I hadn’t…
The 2nd video was not good at all and made me feel kaka… , where he ( Jewish man ) hurried away from the chants , that was not good to see whatsoever, Outcast, I totally see where he looked intimidated and wanted away from it all…That feeling is horrendous to see… from our so called fans…
This is something I cannot accept as just men being a bit foolish, they are idiots whose brains are far from their heads…. 👍🏻
I know I said earlier that it was my final comment! But had to state on seeing what I then did , this was no joking matter or acceptable on any level ….⚒️⚒️⚒️
Having lived in Yorkshire for 15 years I can confirm that racism is alive and well up here, just below the surface but definitely there.
The dinosaurs in charge at Headingley really do reflect the level of ignorance in many ( not all by any means) in the county.