The Owners

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  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    https://www.kumb.com/story.php?id=135734

    Says 71% of the responses were from Season Ticket Holders.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    = 485 people.
  • alderzalderz
    MrsGrey said:

    = 485 people.

    According to a google search, there are 700,000 West Ham fans.

    According to the sample size calculator I use at work, a sample of 485 gives us a confidence interval of 4.45%, with a 95% degree of confidence.

    So, you can be 95% confident that those 485 fans represent all West Ham fans to within 4.45% accuracy.
  • buffybegoodbuffybegood
    edited July 2021
    alderz said:

    MrsGrey said:

    = 485 people.

    According to a google search, there are 700,000 West Ham fans.

    According to the sample size calculator I use at work, a sample of 485 gives us a confidence interval of 4.45%, with a 95% degree of confidence.

    So, you can be 95% confident that those 485 fans represent all West Ham fans to within 4.45% accuracy.
    Shame there isn't someone on the site who we can trust when it comes to statistics 😂😂😂

    (Only teasing, you've explained the maths very well, thanks 👏👍)
  • alderzalderz
    I hadn't realised that the full sample was 684, so the confidence interval is actually 3.75%.

    So, when they say that 70% of respondents believe the board don't have the clubs best interests at heart, then a more accurate thing to say would be:

    We can be 95% sure that 66.25% - 73.75% of all West Ham United fans believe the board don't have the clubs best interests at heart. So, best case scenario, 2 in 3 think it, worst case 3 in 4 think it. Either way around, it's not a brilliant set of results for the board, and you can be reasonable confident in it.

    And FWIW, a confidence interval of less than 5% and a 95% confidence level is really high, and would be more than enough to make decisions on in my field of work at least.
  • OutcastLondonerOutcastLondoner
    If he was lying to us, would anyone be able to tell?
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    alderz said:

    I hadn't realised that the full sample was 684, so the confidence interval is actually 3.75%.

    So, when they say that 70% of respondents believe the board don't have the clubs best interests at heart, then a more accurate thing to say would be:

    We can be 95% sure that 66.25% - 73.75% of all West Ham United fans believe the board don't have the clubs best interests at heart. So, best case scenario, 2 in 3 think it, worst case 3 in 4 think it. Either way around, it's not a brilliant set of results for the board, and you can be reasonable confident in it.

    And FWIW, a confidence interval of less than 5% and a 95% confidence level is really high, and would be more than enough to make decisions on in my field of work at least.


  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited July 2021
    Alderz, does it make any difference that it's a self selecting sample from a group that was set up specifically because some people were dissatisfied with how the board/ club were running things, and the people who joined are therefore more likely to express dissatisfaction... I mean, it's not a representative sample by any means. Not on attitudes, or any other criteria such as ethnicity or age, which they reported, and probably sex too, although they haven't made those figures public.

    Don't your statistical things depend on a uniform sample, like polling samples?
    Edit- I've just read an interesting guide to interpreting poll data on the British Polling Council site, and I think I would be fairly confident in saying that the poll results shouldn't be seen as representative of the WH fanbase as a whole because the sample is skewed.
  • buffybegoodbuffybegood
    She's dissing your stats man.

    Imo, the maths is sound, but, as Mrs G says, there's a danger the sample is skewed. I mean, it's obvious that the only ones thinking G&S are doing what's best for the club are club plants put into the group by G&S to stop the results showing that 100% think they're only looking out for themselves.
  • Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_MoyesJorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes
    OutcastLondoner said:

    If he was lying to us, would anyone be able to tell?

    I am 78.65%-89.75% sure that he is lying to us. It's just the kind of thing he does.
  • alderzalderz
    MrsGrey said:

    Alderz, does it make any difference that it's a self selecting sample from a group that was set up specifically because some people were dissatisfied with how the board/ club were running things, and the people who joined are therefore more likely to express dissatisfaction... I mean, it's not a representative sample by any means. Not on attitudes, or any other criteria such as ethnicity or age, which they reported, and probably sex too, although they haven't made those figures public.

    Don't your statistical things depend on a uniform sample, like polling samples?
    Edit- I've just read an interesting guide to interpreting poll data on the British Polling Council site, and I think I would be fairly confident in saying that the poll results shouldn't be seen as representative of the WH fanbase as a whole because the sample is skewed.

    Yeah it does. We have no idea about bias in the survey, and you’ve got to consider it but can’t really measure it. I guess what I’d say is that it’s safe to assume the findings are roughly correct, it you should probably whack a few caveats on it.
  • ScotHammerScotHammer
    alderz said:

    I hadn't realised that the full sample was 684, so the confidence interval is actually 3.75%.

    So, when they say that 70% of respondents believe the board don't have the clubs best interests at heart, then a more accurate thing to say would be:

    We can be 95% sure that 66.25% - 73.75% of all West Ham United fans believe the board don't have the clubs best interests at heart. So, best case scenario, 2 in 3 think it, worst case 3 in 4 think it. Either way around, it's not a brilliant set of results for the board, and you can be reasonable confident in it.

    And FWIW, a confidence interval of less than 5% and a 95% confidence level is really high, and would be more than enough to make decisions on in my field of work at least.

    Alderz, you have finallly exploded my mind!
  • LukerzLukerz
    If there was any doubt over alderz statting ability, there still is…
  • KuchinghammerKuchinghammer
    All I know is that 9 out of 10 dog owners prefer PAL dog food...
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    What do the dogs prefer?
  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    Their owners to feed them.
  • Dodger58Dodger58
    edited July 2021
    Burns is the best for Boxers =)

    Or is it snowballs?


  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    edited July 2021
    I think I can say with a degree of certainty that the board will have 0.00% worries about the opinions of 684 fans especially when 71% are some of the 54k season ticket holders who have renewed for next season
  • horshamhammerhorshamhammer
    https://www.kumb.com/story.php?id=135827
  • Expat_HammerExpat_Hammer
    horshamhammer said:

    https://www.kumb.com/story.php?id=135827

    Not sulli telling porkies, surely not, that fine upstanding citizen.
  • claretandblueskyclaretandbluesky
    Did Sully really say this?

    "[The group] had zero interest in the football side and saw it as a property move. It was a property deal, not a football deal to them."

  • Expat_HammerExpat_Hammer
    Like sulli has football in his heart, rather than pound notes

    Such an abhorrent little midget
  • yoyoyoyo
    Careful Expat, there's no need for the word "such"
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    edited July 2021
    claretandbluesky said:

    Did Sully really say this?

    "[The group] had zero interest in the football side and saw it as a property move. It was a property deal, not a football deal to them."

    What property? The stadium is owned by the taxpayers of London and the only property the clubs owns that I can think of is Rush Green training ground

    Alzheimer's?
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Do they not own Chadwell Heath and Little Heath too? I agree that the comment about a 'property deal' doesn't make sense though.
  • ScotHammerScotHammer
    Could it not be that they wanted to do other things with the property / land ?
  • Expat_HammerExpat_Hammer
    Like create proper training facilities?
  • WhitehorsehammerWhitehorsehammer
    The London Stadium is loosing money for the owners and takes a lot of management time. West Ham United (whoever is the owner at the time) will do a nice deal when it’s sold. That is the property deal.
  • claretandblueskyclaretandbluesky
    It's like he has forgotten he sold the Boleyn ground and moved the club into rented accommodation.
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    Whitehorsehammer said:

    The London Stadium is loosing money for the owners and takes a lot of management time. West Ham United (whoever is the owner at the time) will do a nice deal when it’s sold. That is the property deal.

    The "owners" are the Greater London Authority, funded by the taxpayers of London (myself included). The stadium is losing about £20m - £30m a year which isn't that much in the scheme of things, by comparison TfL's operating costs are approx. £150m a week and 2018/19 it had an operating deficit of £400m pa (down from £1.5bn in 2016/17)

    However the stadium cost £750m to build and convert, selling it for anything less that it cost could be politically damaging for the Mayor.
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