The Next Transfer Window

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  • Everyone loves Eberechi

    He's been linked with us, Leeds, Spurs, Palace and Sheffield Utd.

    His agent has been busy

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    I think the lad's performances have made his agent's job incredibly easy

    Read that Leicester have joined the hunting pack
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    I think the lad's performances have made his agent's job incredibly Eze

    Read that Leicester have joined the hunting pack

  • Newcastle also being linked to Diangana

    Let's offer them Anderson instead for more money
  • WEST HAM TO 'JOIN BATTLE FOR BENRAHMA'

    West Ham will join the battle for Said Benrahma should Brentford fail in their Premier League promotion bid, according to the Daily Mirror.

    West Ham are also reportedly keen on QPR winger Eberechi Eze, and may sell the likes of Andriy Yarmolenko, Felipe Anderson and Albian Ajeti to raise more funds.
  • Benrahma might be good if we sell both Lanzini and Anderson. Competition for Fornals and Diangana as he looked like he was playing quite centrally in some recent Brentford games.

    But I also wouldn't be surprised if he takes a little while to settle into PL football.
  • edited July 2020
    From The thoughts of Chairman Moyes

    "I think we're a little unsure what the transfer window is going to be. I think everybody has had a little bit of a fright about football during the shutdown, but getting the season finished has helped and got us a bit closer to normal.

    I think the good thing about the transfer window is that it will go on to October so it gives the teams time. But we're not sure what the normal is at the moment."

    So absolutely no clues there
  • It's fine saying we've got until October, but we'll probably have to move quickly to get the likes of Eze, Watkins, Benrahma etc. as they'll be wanted elsewhere.

    If the rumours that we have to sell to buy are true, then we'll have to get rid of our baggage before we can get any of our targets in, by which time the Leicesters and Evertons of this league could have snapped them up.
  • edited July 2020
    We are definitely going to need to raise funds & I think that is to be expected. We have to be patient.

    We may well miss out on the £20m players. We simply cannot start signing players for massive fees with Anderson, Lanzini, Wilshere, Yarmolenko, Snodgrass, Bowen, Diangana, Fornals (all of whom occupy those three positions behind Antonio, not to mention Antonio is normally a winger too) all in the squad & being paid accordingly.

    First focus needs to be Moyes identifying who of those he is happy to lose & how much of the transfer budget can that attract.

    For example, & it won’t be popular, we know that Diangana is going to be wanted by WBA, they know they will need £20m odd for him, they won’t want to lose him as he was integral to their side last season & we can say ‘well we went a season without him playing’. That would be an idea & would immediately fund a bid for the likes of Eze.

    Diangana - £15m+
    Anderson - £20m+
    Lanzini - £20m+
    Yarmolenko - £10m+
    Haller - £25m+
    Rice - £50m+
    Diop - £25m+

    There’s your most valuable assets.
  • OCS that may be true, but this is the situation we are in...we havent got cash to burn and I dont think many clubs do

    We can air our frustrations that we may miss out on targets (I will if these players go to other Prem clubs), but the club spent £40mil (as Soucek is now permanent) for the January signings that kept us up, plus the £100mil net spent over the last 2 summer windows
  • Presumably we'd offer Hughill as part of any payment for Eze if we were serious
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    Yep, I think we have to be patient & I for one won’t slate the owners this summer for a lower spend.

    We spent £60m odd last summer & now £40m in the January window.

    Our squad is full of 4/5 players who have offered very little the last 18 months (Balbuena, Masuaku, Wilshere, Lanzini, Anderson).
  • Lukerz said:


    Our squad is full of 4/5 players who have offered very little the last 18 months (Balbuena, Masuaku, Wilshere, Lanzini, Anderson).

    It is in this group I hope we can move on, but they will be harder to find buyers

    Like the sounds that we are done with these underperforming players, even if it means we take a hit on the transfer fee

    For years we've had player who have moments but often lack any desire and give in way too easily

    I'd rather sell Lanzini for £12mil and get Eze for £12mil, then sell Diangana for £20mil and still get Eze and keep Lanzini
  • edited July 2020
    So the ExWhuEmployee twitter dude has said:-

    Potential Outs:-

    Anderson,
    Lanzini,
    Wilshere,
    Yarmolenko,
    Balbuena,
    Masuaku,
    Ajeti
    Roberto.

    Potential Ins/Targets:-

    Moussa Wague,
    Max Aarons,
    Jayden Bogle,
    Diogo Dalot (loan),
    Matty Cash,
    Antonee Robinson,
    Rico Henry,
    Ryan Manning,
    Kipre,
    Lockyer,
    Zimmerman,
    Ebere Eze,
    Ollie Watkins,
    Karlan Grant,
    Aleksander Mitrovic,
    Habib Diallo,
    Denis Bouanga,
    Kasper Dolberg,

  • And Inkoom

    Never forget Inkoom
  • Champo, Lukerz,

    My issue isn't about not having lots of money to spend; I understand things will be tight for various reasons. It's about having what money is available to be able to act quickly.

    If Moyes has identied, for arguments sake, Robinson, Kipre and Eze as his priority targets, it may only cost us £30m for all three, but we won't have that £30m until someone takes an out-of-form Anderson or Lanzini off our hands. That could take months, by which time Moyes' targets have potentially gone to a club that has cash to hand.
  • Champo, Lukerz,

    My issue isn't about not having lots of money to spend; I understand things will be tight for various reasons. It's about having what money is available to be able to act quickly.

    If Moyes has identied, for arguments sake, Robinson, Kipre and Eze as his priority targets, it may only cost us £30m for all three, but we won't have that £30m until someone takes an out-of-form Anderson or Lanzini off our hands. That could take months, by which time Moyes' targets have potentially gone to a club that has cash to hand.

    ^ This, equally i don't think we will be able to shift a lot of the more valued players due to their higher wages and demands. I think Soucek signing has probably soaked up any budget we had. In order to sell to buy and getting caught in the daisy chain of deals we will be waiting for a very long time if anything did happen.
  • The problem with "act quickly" is that transfers are not under the club's complete control, we have to find a club that wants one of our players, agree a fee and then the player has to agree terms.

    S&G spent the whole of the summer of 2011 trying to offload Scott Parker, there were various offers that failed to work and he didn't leave until deadline day.

    We also wanted to get Robert Green and Carlton Cole off our books but they were there for the rest of the season (Carlton was our top scorer).

    We can't just wish players away
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    Agents will always stick an oar in to get the best possible deal, and unless the player is very keen and clear about going to a certain club, the agent will cause delays by playing one club off against another.
  • Yeold's list doesn't include Montiel from River or Matsima from Monaco but the latter is also wanted by Atletico & Juve so that may not be realistic. Some of the ones quoted we will be unable to afford. Interesting to see we are looking at a lot of defenders.

    I know it may appear simple but if we can't replace the ones who we believe DM doesn't rate or want with as good an option or better hopefully then we may have to resign ourselves that most of the current squad will still be with us when the new season starts. Swap deal for Lozano with Anderson, then we could sell Diangana & get Jovic on loan.
  • The problem with "act quickly" is that transfers are not under the club's complete control, we have to find a club that wants one of our players, agree a fee and then the player has to agree terms.

    S&G spent the whole of the summer of 2011 trying to offload Scott Parker, there were various offers that failed to work and he didn't leave until deadline day.

    We also wanted to get Robert Green and Carlton Cole off our books but they were there for the rest of the season (Carlton was our top scorer).

    We can't just wish players away

    And this is issue. Theoretically our transfer budget could be £50m if we can sell the players Moyes doesn't want, but we might not see that £50m until late in the window, which potentially means we miss out on who the manager does want.

    I guess what I'd want in this situation is for the board to somehow front up the money (do billionaires get bank loans?) to give Moyes a chance of getting who he wants, and then taking the money back with whoever we sell.

    I'm just worried that we'll have to settle for some make-do signings in the last couple of days of the window.
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    OCS, didn't I see it reported somewhere that DM had said he didn't want other teams cast offs? We have been in this position many times before, as have a few other clubs, we went all out for Maxi Gomez, he then joined Valencia so we then went for Haller last summer.
  • Whenever I see DM regardless of what thread it is on I automatically think of defensive midfielder.

    Must be too much time spent on champ/football manager over the years :+1:
  • edited July 2020
    The board will front up the cash & then make sales later in the window.

    I mean, the LB at Wigan has a £1.5m release clause. If Moyes was desperate for him, I highly doubt the Dave’s are going to say ‘you need to sell first’.
  • New season kicks off on 12 September only 7 weeks away so it would be nice to get some activity underway before then if possible.
  • I've got a novel idea, maybe the Moyesiah could persuade the under-performing big money signings to start playing to the potential that we all know they have. =)
  • I've got a novel idea, maybe the Moyesiah could persuade the under-performing big money signings to start playing to the potential that we all know they have. =)

    This.

    Rebalance before rehauling. Get others performing. He's shown they have competition.

    There might be better value in selling players in January anyway, when whatever's happening with the pandemic should be a bit clearer.
  • I've got a novel idea, maybe the Moyesiah could persuade the under-performing big money signings to start playing to the potential that we all know they have. =)

    This.

    Rebalance before rehauling. Get others performing. He's shown they have competition.

    True to some extent. But there are areas that definitely need strengthening; LB and CB in particular. I know I've given him some stick, but Cresswell has long since peaked and I can't see the best manager in the world improving him, let alone Moyes.
  • The problem with "act quickly" is that transfers are not under the club's complete control, we have to find a club that wants one of our players, agree a fee and then the player has to agree terms.

    S&G spent the whole of the summer of 2011 trying to offload Scott Parker, there were various offers that failed to work and he didn't leave until deadline day.

    We also wanted to get Robert Green and Carlton Cole off our books but they were there for the rest of the season (Carlton was our top scorer).

    We can't just wish players away

    I guess what I'd want in this situation is for the board to somehow front up the money (do billionaires get bank loans?) to give Moyes a chance of getting who he wants, and then taking the money back with whoever we sell.

    I'm just worried that we'll have to settle for some make-do signings in the last couple of days of the window.
    Personally I dont agree with this although I see your point

    Think its unreasonable, and very very risky, for the owners to front up the cash in the hope we get some money in but no guarantees

    What happens if we cant sell anyone? Talking in hypothetical, but say we buy a LB, CB, RB, LW and back-up striker for about £50mil (again hypothetical) and we find out we cant sell anyone for acceptable offers. We now have a £50mil debt that we may not be able to afford. Also we have added 5 players to our current 24 roster, so now 4 cant be registered.

    So then we have 3 options,
    1. clubs realise the situation we are in and give us awful offers for expendable players that we almost have to accept (say £15/20mil for anderson) or
    2. We sell off a player we dont want to (like Rice, Diop etc) or
    3. Loan the players who arent registered to get them off the wage bill (again, no gaurantee)

    I feel I've been coming off quite negative, but I just feel its unrealistic to be expecting too much from this window

    As Lukerz said, when it comes to dropping the odd couple million here and there we can manage

    For the record, I think we will find some buyers for players we dont really need (Anderson, Masuaku, Ajeti will attract interest across Europe) and we will make some signings for our primary targets. I'm also pretty confident that we will miss out on some targets, maybe because of money or maybe they just choose another club over us
  • OCS, didn't I see it reported somewhere that DM had said he didn't want other teams cast offs? We have been in this position many times before, as have a few other clubs, we went all out for Maxi Gomez, he then joined Valencia so we then went for Haller last summer.

    Yes, and that's where I think we're running the risk of having to settle for second best if we have to wait for money to come in.

    Lukerz, in the case of Robinson, I agree the board would probably find £1.5m. But if Moyes wants Eze, available for £20m if you believe the reports, then I can see us losing out to someone like Leicester or Everton who may have the funds right now.
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