How many 'remaining signings' are we expecting (given that we've made 3 already), and therefore how many will a 'majority' of that remainder be? And when will the minority of the remaining signings be made then .... in the next 3 weeks, if his reporting is to be believed.
If we were to sign 3 more players and two of those arrived in the last 2 weeks of the window that would be the majority of the remaining signings. The only problem with that is the top clubs will be hoovering up the better players sooner than later I would assume? ;ok
We should be competing with the top clubs otherwise they will continue to be a top club and we will be one of the also rans! MP must surely expect us to be competitive, which without some very good additions we are unlikely to be. Maybe I am just one of Big Sams deluded West Ham Fans!
We cant not pursue top quality players in the fear that we are gonna lose out to better teams
Dont really like the idea of leaving it late,as i judt cant see how this squad is good enough even if pellegrini raised the levels of some of the players currently on the books
I am happy that Pellegrini is willing to give players a chance
But the holes in this squad are clear to see and no one on the books can currently fill those gaps (possibly Rice at DM could work) imo
We can agree to pay whatever clubs want for whatever players we want but it's unlikely they would sign for us over a "top club", by which I assume you mean top 6, because against those we have nothing to really offer. I'm sure, or at least I'm hoping, that Pellegrini knows what he wants to do within the financial boundaries he knows he has and just maybe we will get what he believes we need.
It would be nice for a change for us to sign a few players that some of the big clubs would have liked to have had and then their supporters can complain "I wished we could have signed them" ;pray
Tbf I don't think I saw anyone jelous of us getting those 2
But Hernandes, Arnie and Manu perhaps
With regards to Arnie and Lanzini. No one was overly excited when we first signed them (including many of our own fans). We can’t compete with the big boys. It’s unlikely that we’re going to sign a superstar. Even if we can agree terms with the team, are they going to want to come to us?
That leaves us with 3 choices.: - Buy someone experienced who’s at the latter end of his career and hope he still has some of the magic (Hernandez). - Buy someone with potential (Lanzini). - Or buy someone who’s a solid middle of the road performer and hope he’s a hidden gem (Arnie).
For every gamble that pans out, you probably have 2-3 that don’t (Evra, Snodgrass, Ayew to just name a few).
Tbf it was a terrible decision (IMO). When you look at him in the tv studios he looks as though he retired five years ago. Any injuries in that position should have meant us dipping into the development squad for backfill because I fail to see how this would have been worse.
And the owners did also sign Mladen Petric which was another rip roaring success.
Whilst I get why the club signed Evra, if I was in the dev squad (as a left sided defender) it would hardly have filled me with confidence that the club had any faith in me
For me, as it was a relatively short period of time, I would've not considered paying Evra X amount of thousands a week while Arthur was out. Someone couldve filled in there from dev squad or from central defence (e.g. Cresswell or Rice + promoting a dev player to the bench). We were hardly watertight anyway. Not my money of course but it couldve gone to something else.
I mean Masuaku was banned for 6 games.... i cant defend the board for Evra, espeically as he was probably on big wages for what he actually contributed
We had a few options to fill in at LWB already in the squad and given how highly rated Neuville is i dont see why he couodnt have played some minutes
My issue would be why back the manager signing a player who months earlier the board had said we won’t sign players in that age bracket, the amount of game time evra had backs up this theory imo
The only question (for me) that's relevant about using an Academy player to cover injury is, are they good enough to play in the PL. If not, I think it's right not to play them.
If we play them when they aren't ready => critics will say it's bad because it's damaging their confidence by throwing them in when they aren't ready. And the board are cheapskates/don't back the manager with funds for new transfers.
If we don't play them, critics will say =>damaging their confidence by not showing they are trusted.
Either way, there's plenty of ammunition for critics.
I'd be interested to hear from those people who have previously argued for a transfer policy which involves buying cover when someone picks up a longer-term injury. (I know there must be some, because I've argued against them in the past.)
My issue would be why back the manager signing a player who months earlier the board had said we won’t sign players in that age bracket, the amount of game time evra had backs up this theory imo
Clearly he was referring to the upcoming (January) transfer window. And it was a statement of intent. What actually happened in the window?
Evra was an emergency signing after the transfer window was closed. We needed someone quickly, not attached to a club, and who would sign on a short-term deal. Personally, I think that's fair enough. I also think it's self-serving to take that one quote, and only that one quote, and out of context, and ignoring all other circumstances.
I also think that the quote is a good example of why Sully should not give interviews. Like all of us, what you say isn't always a fully formulated manifesto, with caveats and clarifications built in. But the quote gets taken as gospel, without any opportunity for him to say 'what I mean is...' (which is what everybody else is able to do) and then if there is any perceived deviation from it he gets accused of being a liar.
cuz, I think if you look at the transfers in recent years you will see that the policy has been to sign younger players on longer contracts, while older players have been short-term deals.
Plus, any transfer policy that is so set in stone that you can't adapt to changing circumstances is a recipe for disaster. (imo)
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How many 'remaining signings' are we expecting (given that we've made 3 already), and therefore how many will a 'majority' of that remainder be? And when will the minority of the remaining signings be made then .... in the next 3 weeks, if his reporting is to be believed.
Sounds like a non-story to me.
If we sign (say) 5 more and a majority (say 3) are signed in the last 2 weeks of the transfer window ...
We would have signed the majority (5 )of our (total 8) new players in he early part of the window.
And anyway, so what?
As long as the manager gets players he is happy with, in positions he wants, I don't care what day they sign.
They have more money, can offer better prospects and are, you know, 'top clubs'.
We should be competing with the top clubs otherwise they will continue to be a top club and we will be one of the also rans! MP must surely expect us to be competitive, which without some very good additions we are unlikely to be. Maybe I am just one of Big Sams deluded West Ham Fans!
Dont really like the idea of leaving it late,as i judt cant see how this squad is good enough even if pellegrini raised the levels of some of the players currently on the books
I am happy that Pellegrini is willing to give players a chance
But the holes in this squad are clear to see and no one on the books can currently fill those gaps (possibly Rice at DM could work) imo
I'm sure, or at least I'm hoping, that Pellegrini knows what he wants to do within the financial boundaries he knows he has and just maybe we will get what he believes we need.
Like Fredericks and Diop?
But Hernandes, Arnie and Manu perhaps
That leaves us with 3 choices.:
- Buy someone experienced who’s at the latter end of his career and hope he still has some of the magic (Hernandez).
- Buy someone with potential (Lanzini).
- Or buy someone who’s a solid middle of the road performer and hope he’s a hidden gem (Arnie).
For every gamble that pans out, you probably have 2-3 that don’t (Evra, Snodgrass, Ayew to just name a few).
It happened under a very specific set of circumstances, and hardly represents our main transfer policy.
Tbf it was a terrible decision (IMO). When you look at him in the tv studios he looks as though he retired five years ago. Any injuries in that position should have meant us dipping into the development squad for backfill because I fail to see how this would have been worse.
And the owners did also sign Mladen Petric which was another rip roaring success.
And if it were me, I'd be asking Westley and Moyes what I needed to do to start being considered.
Most development squad players are not going to make it into our first team.
#he's coming home
We had a few options to fill in at LWB already in the squad and given how highly rated Neuville is i dont see why he couodnt have played some minutes
If they back the manager and bring in who he wants, and we don't rate them, they are a disgrace.
It's not looking too good for them, is it?
If we play them when they aren't ready => critics will say it's bad because it's damaging their confidence by throwing them in when they aren't ready. And the board are cheapskates/don't back the manager with funds for new transfers.
If we don't play them, critics will say =>damaging their confidence by not showing they are trusted.
Either way, there's plenty of ammunition for critics.
I'd be interested to hear from those people who have previously argued for a transfer policy which involves buying cover when someone picks up a longer-term injury. (I know there must be some, because I've argued against them in the past.)
Clearly he was referring to the upcoming (January) transfer window. And it was a statement of intent. What actually happened in the window?
Evra was an emergency signing after the transfer window was closed. We needed someone quickly, not attached to a club, and who would sign on a short-term deal. Personally, I think that's fair enough. I also think it's self-serving to take that one quote, and only that one quote, and out of context, and ignoring all other circumstances.
I also think that the quote is a good example of why Sully should not give interviews. Like all of us, what you say isn't always a fully formulated manifesto, with caveats and clarifications built in. But the quote gets taken as gospel, without any opportunity for him to say 'what I mean is...' (which is what everybody else is able to do) and then if there is any perceived deviation from it he gets accused of being a liar.
cuz, I think if you look at the transfers in recent years you will see that the policy has been to sign younger players on longer contracts, while older players have been short-term deals.
Plus, any transfer policy that is so set in stone that you can't adapt to changing circumstances is a recipe for disaster. (imo)