Hull Away on April Fools Day

Yeoldhammer

Don't go down the we were missing xyz. Even with those players we wete getting beat.

NEoldiron

Hull's goalscorers Andrew Robertson and Andrea Ranocchia scored their first ever Premier League goals, by netting in this match.
Of course they did, that's the West Ham way. ;biggrin

West Ham have lost 20 points from winning positions in the Premier League this season, the most of any side in the competition. Shocking statistic ;weep

And our previous star defender, Post, was absolutely rooted to the spot for their 2nd. ;biggrin ;yercoat

Pearces_Left_Foot

Swansea at home is a must win now we lose that and we are in serious trouble

everhopeful

Perhaps Post is seeking to engineer a move away in the summer transfer window?

IronHerb

No. He's an upright member of our squad and wouldn't do that.

thornburyiron

NE as were our defenders but they did have the opportunity to move.

secrethammersfan

IronHerb said:

No. He's an upright member of our squad and wouldn't do that.

Very wooden defending at times, though.

grey_til_I_dye

shf

I wooden say that...

NEoldiron

I thought the defence was very splintered. Do you think that Slav wood try a different set up against Arsenal?

Bazshuayi

I think we need to play our wildcard or at least the bench boost....

On the premise that Ayew, Snodgrass, Carroll and Lanzini (and Antonio if fit to play yesterday) would all walk into Hulls team, I still dont understand why we couldnt outscore them... Surely more than 1 goal anyway. Defensive weakness throughout the team and not just at the back you say? Agreed....

Adam

I said it during the game and I'll say it again. When Hull switched to a back four (i.e. an extra attacker), we should have brought on an extra defensive midfielder. Either Noble or Nordveit. They had so much space even though we were 1-0 up away from home.

It was so naive from us. Especially when a draw would have been fine (it would have kept us 9 points ahead of the relegation zone, 10 including goal difference).

Moore_than_a_nick

I just read AC said Nobes didn't play because he got a niggle in the midweek: http://www.whufc.com/news/articles/2017/april/02-april/ac-it-means-nothing-without-result

eskimoking

Someone posted a stat a while back about how we haven't won a game, when Noble hasn't started, for a very, very long time. I'd be curious how many games that record is up to now. Not saying he shouldn't have been dropped this season though, as he has been pretty poor, but so has almost everyone else.

I'm trying to stop myself from caring a bit this season as the majority of it has been a train wreck.

Lukerz

I was out in London on Sat. Checked my phone after an hour, saw it was 1-1. Checked 5 mins before the end, saw it was 2-1. Didn't really care and just caried on with my day. I found that quite sad.

ASLEFshrugged

eskimoking said:

Someone posted a stat a while back about how we haven't won a game, when Noble hasn't started, for a very, very long time. I'd be curious how many games that record is up to now. Not saying he shouldn't have been dropped this season though, as he has been pretty poor, but so has almost everyone else.

I'm trying to stop myself from caring a bit this season as the majority of it has been a train wreck.

We've played 89 Premier League games since we won without Noble in the starting XI (Leicester, 2-0, 20 Dec 2014), when he's not been there we've lost 7 and drawn 3 (4 losses this season).

Without him we have won against Lusitanos and Accrington

Its the gypsy curse, I tell ya.......

eskimoking

Thanks Aslef, interesting stats. It's not as high as I thought on number of games, but I think it still demonstrates the leadership skills than many doubt he has.

Lukerz

Having Andy Carroll walk out as captain tells you all you need to know about the lack of leadership.

Wonder why Fonte didn't get it?

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

Because he's only been here 5 minutes and not playing very well?

Carroll does as much as anyone to warrant the armband

MrsGrey

I thought he did well.

grey_til_I_dye

Luke

Well, imo he was our only decent player, and worked tirelessly in attack and defence, so I'd say anyone else getting it would have been a far worse decision.

MrsGrey

;biggrin

Lukerz

Wouldn't say it was the incorrect decision.

More the fact he was the decision.

tomkinsworldclass

Our lack of pace offensively is affecting us alot IMO as theres no real option on the counter attack, so everything has to be played in front of the opposition or direct to Carroll which can become predictable and congests the midfield which inhibits the likes of Snograss and Lanzini because theres few options in behind/over the top/ off the ball. Sakho and Antonio will make a big difference when they are back because they do bring that power and mobility and selfless running. Even Payet, who wasnt the quickest, made a significant impact because of his ability to carry the ball so well and beat a man. We are very one paced throughout the team- not slow but not explosively quick either, and it does tell in some situations, esp when dictating possession or on the counter.

Whilst we are a in difficult patch of form, I honestly dont think we are that far away from where we need to be and if we can iron ( ;wink ) out a few things, like individual mistakes and being a bit more tidy in what we do, then we can recover and hopefully finish the season strongly because the league is very compact from Stoke in 9th down.

P.S I liked Carroll as captain. Thought he did well in the role and deserves it.

secrethammersfan

We've scored more than 11 clubs in the league, and one less than Man Utd. I think pace is a problem, but we're getting especially done over on the counter.

Lukerz

There is a gaping hole between the midfield and defence. It's been that way all season and was like it last.

Every time possession is turned over, we're exposed embarrassingly.

But it is the coaching staffs job to sort the shape out

And, I'm no tactical master, but lining up against a side, away from home, who are looking at us as a 'must win', with this midfield:

Kouyate
Feghouli - Ayew - Lanzini - Snodgrass

(not to mention the two wing-backs who are more attackers than defenders)

Suggests that 'shape' is not really a priory right now.

puddleglumhammers

Kouyate needed someone next to him in midfield - Fernandes or Nordveidt if Noble wasn't fit (but then why was he on the bench ?). Especially away from home.
I really hope we go 3 at the back against Arsenal.

puddleglumhammers

I also wonder that if we want to play for a draw whether we should play Nordveidt at RB and Masuaku at LB.