Post-transfer discussions (inc is Zab a decent RB/signing)

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  • OutcastLondonerOutcastLondoner
    The problem with Zabaleta is Sam Byram.
  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    Dendonker himself has said West Ham would have been an idea "next step" in his career but he knew there was no way Anderlecht would let him leave mid season having already not allowed him to leave last summer.
  • ianbishoplegendianbishoplegend
    I would have preffered that defoule from Barcelona than Mario
  • alderzalderz
    I think Mario has been good for us, so far
  • WHU_Champo_league_in_7_yearsWHU_Champo_league_in_7_years
    2 different players

    Mario is more of a creator/CM whereas Deulofeu is a winger who likes to go 1 vs 1

    I would take Deulofeu but I think that Mario has been good
  • ianbishoplegendianbishoplegend
    Deulofeu would be a more direct replacement for Lanzini and could cover Antonio
  • WHU_Champo_league_in_7_yearsWHU_Champo_league_in_7_years
    I'd say he's an attacker similar to Antonio, Arnie & Lanzini whereas Mario is more of a midfielder in the mould of Lanzini & Noble

    Think we need a CM more than an attacker

    As I said I'd have taken both
  • ianbishoplegendianbishoplegend
    edited February 2018
    I’d be well chuffed if we signed him in the summer
  • ianbishoplegendianbishoplegend
    So who’s place did the DM we didn’t sign take in today’s line up?
  • ianbishoplegendianbishoplegend
    Think Mario lacks a bit of pace. He looks fast, but doesn’t have that burst I expect to come. Very good player though.
  • EXETERHAMMEREXETERHAMMER
    Mario looks very good to me. Particularly like his link up play between the defence and attack. Exactly what he is meant to do in that position I guess!
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    That is my fear Ham.

    Interestingly (for some) , Ex has said this morning that we're apparently close to agreeing a deal for Fulham's right back, which is out of contract in the summer and who is "top of our list".

    Now, given that a lot of fans believe we have a need for a top quality DM, and our 'pursuit' of Carvalho and Dendoncker suggests the board agree, if a free Championship full back is out No1 target then questions may well be asked.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    If a player's contract is up in the summer, he can agree a deal now.

    Moving early, and not leaving things to the last minute is what a great many fans have been vociferously urging.. so this would be a good thing, yeah?
  • alderzalderz
    Top of our list because we can negotiate with him now, is different to top of our list for the entire summer, imo. Also could mean top of our list for that position.
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    Yes Mrs G, it would be a good thing. He's a good player and could be our No1 right back for a number of years.

    However, my point is that if he is our top target, i.e. the player that we need the most and have prioritised above all others, then I personally would be a bit worried.
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    OCS

    But that is an interpretation, based on a choice of words from no one associated with the club.

    Honestly, I don't see the point in 'borrowing' things to worry about.

    I'd be worried if we sold Arnie, Manu, Antonio and Adrian, and replaced them with League 1 players.

    However, I won't worry about it until it happens.
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    edited February 2018
    Grey, I'm not worrying. Hence why I said I would be worried if Fredericks was our top target.

    I'm aware that what's been said is from a Twitter ITK. I'm not naive enough to believe that his word is gospel. All I'm saying is that if it was true, then I would be worried that the extent of our ambition stretches to a (albeit) good Championship right back.
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    edited February 2018
    OK, OCS, but it still feels like borrowing trouble to me.
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    alderz said:

    Top of our list because we can negotiate with him now, is different to top of our list for the entire summer, imo. Also could mean top of our list for that position.

    It absolutely could mean that. Which is why I caveated my post with 'if'.
  • WHU_Champo_league_in_7_yearsWHU_Champo_league_in_7_years
    Fredericks would be a good signing especially if we persist with a back 3 as he has bundles of energy and pace, perfect for a wingback role

    Would think that this may perhaps shift Byram out the door though unless Moyes or whoever is in charge wants to change Zabaletas position

    I like Byram but never feel confident when he's on the pitch, he's a bit too rash especially in the tackle. Also think his continuing struggles with injury is a bit of a worry

    Interesting to see what happens
  • ianbishoplegendianbishoplegend
    Byram was never rated highly by Leeds fans, my mate was shocked we paid what we did for him. He steals a living in the prem as he excels in nothing, and is average at the basics. I think he would be more suited to a Steve Lomas job than out on the right.
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    I disagree, IBL.

    I think he is easily PL standard.

    Probably more suited to RWB than RB, but I can't see how £4m for him can be seen as anything other than decent business.
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    They were shocked to get £3.7m? Perhaps we should have taken him off their hands on a free.
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    Byram needs an extended, uninjured spell under Moyes guidance and I think he will really kick on IMO
  • ianbishoplegendianbishoplegend
    edited February 2018
    I think he is easily PL standard:
    Which other teams in the prem would he hold down a starting place in?

    4m has got us a player that after trying to develop will be sold for about that if not less. Not bad business, I admit, but being 24 and having a 33-year-old take your place is obvious enough he won't make it.


  • OutcastLondonerOutcastLondoner
    edited February 2018
    When Byram’s not injured, he looks lost. He quite often seems to not know what to do when the opposition is running at him and I haven’t seen much in the way of good crossing from what’s supposed to be an attacking full back. I don’t think he was bad business but I don’t think he can be counted in as a genuine RB or RWB option - we need a new one.

    Zabaleta has been good but we’ve had no one to replace him with when he needs a rest.
  • alderzalderz
    I think Byram has been a disappointment, generally. That hasn't been helped by his horrible injury record, but he's nearly 25 and he really hasn't been close to convincing.
  • KuchinghammerKuchinghammer
    Interesting to see Byram on as an attacking sub against Watford. Maybe Moyes is playing to his strengths and training him as a winger. I think a goal would boost his confidence and turn him into a useful squad player. 4m was less of a gamble than, say, 30m for Mario next summer.
  • Pearces_Left_FootPearces_Left_Foot
    We have been linked with opare from Augsburg on a free a 25 year old right back
  • alderzalderz
    We're also liked (ExWhuEmployee) with Ryan Fredericks from Fulham, reportedly out of contract in the summer.
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