But Slav said he was happy with what he had, so it goes back to him and his judgement of players and not the daves, right?
Absolutely.
The only caveat to that is that it was more that there were no right backs available to improve the first XI, which I would suggest was budget-driven rather than anything else.
We were looking for a right back. That's been clearly stated by the manager. So there was obviously an acknowledgement that there is a requirement, just not necessarily the funds to get the player we wanted.
We were looking for a right back. That's been clearly stated by the manager. So there was obviously an acknowledgement that there is a requirement, just not necessarily the funds to get the player we wanted.
My view is that I expect 0 transfers in the summer as why will six months change what Slav thinks of the squad? If it's good enough now, it's still good enough in a few months? We'll have Carroll, Sakho, Fletcher and maybe Antonio and Ayew as striker options. We'll have Enner back too. We'll still have Byram, Arbeloa, Nord and Antonio as RB options. Plenty of cover?
We lost, this window, Arbeloa, Tore, Payet, Oxford and Zaza. We also lost Ogbonna to a season ending injury. All six of those have been in matchday squads this season. We signed Snodgrass and Fonte. From purely a numbers perspective, we have reduced the squad by four first team players. We also lost Kouyate and Ayew, but I appreciate that was only temporary. That's without even mentioning Masuaku and Sakho being long term absentees.
If Slav is happy with the squad, genuinely can look in your eyes and say that, he needs to have his position considered.
Pat Nevin's point that playing 2 up top played into their hands. On paper they only had 1 holding midfield player, Tore, but the pace of closing down by De Bruyne, Silva, Sterling and Sane meant we were swamped in midfield. We could have gone with Noble, Obiang and Fernandes in midfield and maybe won more of the ball.
It's a lack of concentration from certain players that we didn't really see under BFS. I think that suggests that our defensive coaching isn't working as well as Slav would like
It's the difference in style, philosophy and ambition. A good example would be Carl Jenkinson- under BFS, he received alot more protection, the game was much more simplified and overall he had a decent season. Under Slaven in a more attacking, technical ,ambitious side when the skill set and decision making are much more important and advanced (less protection, etc, etc) he was pretty terrible. But its not about comparing like for like with BFS and all that stuff; its about learning from the game, because MCFC were superb, and as club learn from this season because theres alot of things at play influencing this season.
Its never nice to take a heavy defeat but MCFC have a very difficult style to play against when they are in good form, especially when you have to chase the game. In hindsight, I think Slaven would chance to a back 3 but I can understand what and why he made the decisions he did-especially without Kouyate and Sakho who are exactly the kind of players needed in this type of game. The goals were avoidable but symptomatic of MCFC's difficult style because the pressure they put on you and the positions they are then in to then capitalise on it.
There are certain things which, as a team and individually, you have to do against MCFC because everyone knows how they are going to play and what they will and wont do, but its very difficult in practise; for example, you have to get MCFC turning and facing their own goal to take them off the front foot and influence their pressing game- Cresswell should've always been opening his body and playing it down the line (which he should've done for the 1st), but instead he was tryign to play too much and passing back into the press. We have to learn from it, not so much to play how they play, but more so about trying to be more deliberate in how we go about things and the structure we want to implement but that can only really come with committing to long term values and building around the manager.
Puddle, ;thumbsup I would've liked to have seen Lanzini drop in to make a 3 alongside Nobles and Obaing, and then fegholi higher up so we could press much more aggressively but with a bit more protection. Bless Noble, but he was chasing shadows last night ;lol
I cant accept "its Man City" as an excuse, so many other teams do not get consistently pummelled by them, they have put 12 past us this season alone... in reply to our 1 goal.
Man City are a decent team but have being shown this season they are no world beaters yet we make them look like world beaters.
Hutton, with respect, they have the best squad in the league, one of the best managers in the world, ridiculous resources, and a very difficult style to play against- they embarrassed Chelsea and Spurs at home this season, although the results didnt show that. The reality is that WHU could play a whole lot better and still lose by 3 or 4 to them as they have that inherent quality to their game. The new stadium is a struggle for differing reasons, but especially against elite teams on the counter but now is not the time for over reactions IMO.
I think it a case of us being poor and them being good on the day (twice) their range of movement, passing and pressing were excellent on all accounts . I don't think its an excuse either we could have done so many things better with our shape, work rate and decision making . Man City are the best team I have seen over the LS this season. They have the skill but they put the hard work in and were n't shy of a few tackles/fouls to nullify any promising breaks we had (which were n't many). I think City are our bogey team at the moment. ;puzzled
I think it a case of us being poor and them being good on the day (twice) their range of movement, passing and pressing were excellent on all accounts . I don't think its an excuse either we could have done so many things better with our shape, work rate and decision making . Man City are the best team I have seen over the LS this season. They have the skill but they put the hard work in and were n't shy of a few tackles/fouls to nullify any promising breaks we had (which were n't many). I think City are our bogey team at the moment. ;puzzled
Arsenal looked better imo, could have got double figures if they wanted.
Liverpool, Chelsea, Tottenham will be rubbing their hands.
2-3 years seems highly optimistic. I don't think we will hit the top 6 ever until their is a massive shake up in terms of ownership of football clubs / culture change in football.
Slav like everybody else knew how City play, for heavens sake they murdered us three weeks ago. We had 10 days to prepare for this game so why on earth did we appear to have absolutely no idea how to deal with them. They are a good team but by no means world beaters because if they were they'd be streets ahead in the league and not sitting in 5th place. We, on the whole, have played poorly all season and even in the games we've won we struggled. A few 1-0 wins, two of which involved penalties. Holding on for dear life at Palace and for the most part outplayed by Middlesbrough. I don't know what the reason is but I'm not paid to but it seems to me that Bilic is not tactically aware and has no real game plan or back up plan. Last night he brought on Snodgrass but took off Carroll and we then started hitting crosses in. Maybe he's having to do it all alone because I'd be lying if I said I had any clue as to our trying staff other than Dicks and Woods.
I missed the Arsenal game Yeold I don't think we will top 6 unless we do some v good business in the next few transfer windows. I do think with the stadium we will a top 8-10 team and hopefully progress from there . Man City are 1 point off second so they ain't too shabby
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The only caveat to that is that it was more that there were no right backs available to improve the first XI, which I would suggest was budget-driven rather than anything else.
I honestly don't think the Dave's were withholding dosh (although clearly I have no proof either way!)
The only exception to this, I believe, was Defoe where they weren't prepared to go to 8 figures because of a lack of resale value.
;whistle
Was it cited as a "funds" issue re the r/b.
I don't remember this but perhaps I am wrong
;weep
We lost, this window, Arbeloa, Tore, Payet, Oxford and Zaza. We also lost Ogbonna to a season ending injury. All six of those have been in matchday squads this season. We signed Snodgrass and Fonte. From purely a numbers perspective, we have reduced the squad by four first team players. We also lost Kouyate and Ayew, but I appreciate that was only temporary. That's without even mentioning Masuaku and Sakho being long term absentees.
If Slav is happy with the squad, genuinely can look in your eyes and say that, he needs to have his position considered.
Where do people think Byram would be in his development had he been coached by our former manager?
Its never nice to take a heavy defeat but MCFC have a very difficult style to play against when they are in good form, especially when you have to chase the game. In hindsight, I think Slaven would chance to a back 3 but I can understand what and why he made the decisions he did-especially without Kouyate and Sakho who are exactly the kind of players needed in this type of game. The goals were avoidable but symptomatic of MCFC's difficult style because the pressure they put on you and the positions they are then in to then capitalise on it.
There are certain things which, as a team and individually, you have to do against MCFC because everyone knows how they are going to play and what they will and wont do, but its very difficult in practise; for example, you have to get MCFC turning and facing their own goal to take them off the front foot and influence their pressing game- Cresswell should've always been opening his body and playing it down the line (which he should've done for the 1st), but instead he was tryign to play too much and passing back into the press. We have to learn from it, not so much to play how they play, but more so about trying to be more deliberate in how we go about things and the structure we want to implement but that can only really come with committing to long term values and building around the manager.
But in my opinion his hands have been tied by the board.
(Just my opinion, i have no inside info, just what i believe)
Man city were not superb . It was a classic case of us being utter rubbish and making the opposition look like Real Madrid.
Arsenal at home . Man city in cup . Man utd in league cup. Southampton home. West Brom away. Watford home.
The list goes on and on.
Man City are a decent team but have being shown this season they are no world beaters yet we make them look like world beaters.
But I have no idea why you'd think this was the case and if it is the case did that happen with Slav's predecessor?
;wink
Didn't chase them and stood off............same result they cut us open.
They were clinical as well, took most of their clear chances while reducing us to next to nothing.
people can think what they like but that performance would've beaten most teams in this league and that was without Aguero. Quite frightening really.
We are 2-3 years off challenging the top 6 in any shape or form.
;ok
Liverpool, Chelsea, Tottenham will be rubbing their hands.
They are a good team but by no means world beaters because if they were they'd be streets ahead in the league and not sitting in 5th place.
We, on the whole, have played poorly all season and even in the games we've won we struggled. A few 1-0 wins, two of which involved penalties. Holding on for dear life at Palace and for the most part outplayed by Middlesbrough.
I don't know what the reason is but I'm not paid to but it seems to me that Bilic is not tactically aware and has no real game plan or back up plan. Last night he brought on Snodgrass but took off Carroll and we then started hitting crosses in. Maybe he's having to do it all alone because I'd be lying if I said I had any clue as to our trying staff other than Dicks and Woods.