Technology in Football, For or Against? And what kind?
This discussion was created from comments split from: West Ham United v Aston Villa - Match Thread (02/02/16, 19:45).
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I do agree re: inconsistency, but in that instance a video ref wouldn't have helped.
The fact wasn't in doubt, just the interpretation of it.
But isn't that when a video ref is needed even more. When the ref only has one chance to view something, he can't really make an informed decision on the interpretation.
You have someone who can reply the incident a couple of times and then is able to make a better decision on whether it was intentional or whatever the term is.
I see what you are saying, but for me, I'd always want it to be the 'real' ref's shout when it comes to interpretation.
In the kind of incident like last night, there can be no way of knowing what Antonio intended, short of asking him, so no obviously 'right' call.
The ref still makes the final decision but he gets better information to make the decision.
It also takes the control away from the field ref.
I agree that there are issues with video refs in RU, mainly that too many refs seem to have lost the ability to make what appear to be simple decisions.
That said, Ireland nearly lost the 6 Nations last year when the ref failed to go up for a look at a decision that shouldn't have been given, and Scotland suffered in the WC QF as well.
In general, though, I thought the video ref worked well in the RWC, as the TOs became proactive, and looked at incidents that might have been 'suspect' before the ref called for it, so they were ready with the clip, and often with a decision.
I agree with you re: the Caulker incident - I wouldn't like to see a video ref second-guessing on-pitch decisions.
How would you feel if the linesman tells the ref he has seen an incident that the ref hasn't?
Quick shout in the mic "referee, that's a penalty, unatural arm position, stopping a cross into the penalty area".
Take last night. The corner for Villa is handled but not seen/given. 14 seconds later we score and the ref awards the goal. Then he gets the penalty call. There would be riots.
For me, it takes away from the pitch officials.
I'm happier if they have technology to use if they ask for it, not for it to be used to second guess them.
You said:
"The corner for Villa is handled but not seen/given. 14 seconds later we score and the ref awards the goal. Then he gets the penalty call. There would be riots."
I've watched the highlights and can't see who handled, who was it? ;hmm
But again no difference than if the linesman sees it and let's the ref know. Unless I'm missing the point and linesman are not allowed to let the ref know if they see a handball or something.
Also Grey to me second guessing would be someone over ruling the ref and so long as the refs call is final that wouldn't happen. So long as a video linesman has the same power as a pitch side linesman it doesn't change anything. Except they would buzz the ref instead of raising their flag.
I think.
;puzzled
Reading Herb's post again I see that he has used the subjunctive (implied), more fool me for not picking it up ;wink
I would not want the 5th official to interrupt the referee without being asked for assistance on anything but goal producing issues. I would like to see them as a linesman whose flag is a beeping in the ref's ear.
I would make two things clear to the teams and supporters from the outset. That this is being used to assist the referee and not to replace him, that it should not be expected to produce perfect decisions each time as many are not clear cut.
It should be expected at present that referees will get a percentage of decisions wrong and pro ref's would likely get a lot less than you or I would, I would hope that through this technology that we could reduce poor decisions to perhaps 5% instead of 15%.
I would also allow all disciplinary decisions to be re-visited regardless of 'if the ref already saw it' as this makes no sense. This will clean the game up a lot as on another day the Villa player would have got away with what he did last night.
Here's my video technology of the Caulker Handball - you decide ;biggrin