Official - some people can't let Sam Allardyce go (counselling available, reasonable fees.)

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  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    Lukerz

    It's not exactly rubbish, though, is it?

    It's simply how one chooses to look at things.

    After the first 19 games last season we had 31 points, this year it is 29.

    That's easily as valid a comparison as yours.

    As to whether it was the right decision, I'd say more that it wasn't (at least so far) the wrong one.
  • TwistandShoutTwistandShout
    Expat_Hammer said:

    You know, I sort of get this strange feeling that Twist doesn't, or in fact never has, been too happy with BFS as our manager ;whistle

    What gives you that impression? ;whistle
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    Slaven_A_Laugh_Lukerz said:

    Genuine question, aimed at everyone.

    Now, at the half way point and based on what you've witnessed so far, was the decision to part with Sam the correct one?

    Yes. For me, West Ham feels like West Ham again.
  • Slaven_Cups_His_BeardSlaven_Cups_His_Beard
    Slaven_A_Laugh_Lukerz said:

    Genuine question, aimed at everyone.

    Now, at the half way point and based on what you've witnessed so far, was the decision to part with Sam the correct one?

    Yes it was. If only to stop the clear divide he brought between the fans.

    Also because there is no way we won't beat last years haul of 47 points, so it was a step in the right direction
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    Slaven_A_Laugh_Lukerz said:

    Genuine question, aimed at everyone.

    Now, at the half way point and based on what you've witnessed so far, was the decision to part with Sam the correct one?

    Yes.

    Can we move on now?
  • LukerzLukerz
    No

    ;devil
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    ;fishslap

    Go to your room.
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    given that the owners didn't do anything in the Jan 15 transfer window to back up the excellent start we had to last season (which kind of tells me they were ready to part with him at the end of his contract anyway) and the players themselves were diabolical (to the extent they could barely pass to each other), then it was probably the right decision not to renew his contract
  • Slaven_Cups_His_BeardSlaven_Cups_His_Beard
    Baracks.....it's brushed under the carpet, but not getting anyone in during Jan (Nene in Feb) played a major part in the final 16/17 games.

    Then all of a sudden they "find" £35m in the summer.
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    IZWT ;ok
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    We were 4th in the league and flying so we were never going to go for much in January.
  • Ravel49Ravel49
    Move away from the Boleyn
    No emphasis on youth
    Actually a decent squad ;nonono

    Doesn't feel like West Ham anymore ;weep
  • Slaven_Cups_His_BeardSlaven_Cups_His_Beard
    IronHerb said:

    We were 4th in the league and flying so we were never going to go for much in January.

    We already had injuries......and by the end of the month it was clear we needed a couple in.
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Who was injured?
  • LukerzLukerz
    Grey - I always like to go by corresponding fixtures, as opposed to 'number of games'.

    You could play Watford, Newcastle, WBA, Bournemouth, Sunderland and Villa in your first six games of the season, take 12 points + and then next season start with Man City, Liverpool, Spurs, Arsenal, Man Utd and Chelsea, taking 3 points.

    I know they're extremes, but comparing those set of fixtures would be completely unfair.
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    Lukerz

    I see your point, but the halfway stage is, for me, a reasonable marker, since you have played every team once (albeit H and A will be different.).

    You could argue that adjusting for promoted/relegated teams is not particularly scientific...
  • LukerzLukerz
    edited January 2016
    Grey - possibly, but when you consider last season's tally in those games was 9 (against the sides swapped for promoted sides) to 1 this season, it hardly swings the balance in Bilic's favour.
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    Good point Lukerz.

    Bilic out.
  • TexashammerTexashammer
    IronHerb said:

    Who was injured?

    Carroll, Sakho and Kouyate, to name 3. And we had to contend with the ACON as well. And I think we were having troubles in the back as well, and Song was getting little niggles and not playing as well.
  • Slaven_Cups_His_BeardSlaven_Cups_His_Beard
    Beat me to it Tex.

    ;ok
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Carroll played 5 out of 7 games. Sakho returned for the 4th round of the cup and Kouyate was injured. As for ACON, well, no one went. Song retired. Sakho didn't go hence his 1 match ban and Kouyate was injured. So we weren't inundated with injuries imo.
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    The squad was very thin back then - I genuinely believe they didn't want to put money behind their manager as they'd possibly decided that they would part company a few months later and prem safety was already guaranteed

    In order to consolidate and sustain a decent top half position it was obvious the squad needed a degree of strengthening
  • LukerzLukerz
    I agree Sam (and the teams) performance deserved better reward in Jan than simply #nenetime. After being in the top four on Xmas day.

    But they probably felt £30m in the summer was enough.
  • SwissironSwissiron
    edited January 2016
    so Remi Garde says, apparently, he will stick with Villa even if they go down while Sam says, apparently, that he will pack his bags if Sunderland look certain to go down. ;hmm

    Sounds like someone is trying to save his "never been relegated" label

    Caution: A Tabloid Truth Verification Alert (TTVA) has been issued for this post.
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    Swiss

    You could have checked it for yourself at

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/sam-allardyce-would-quit-sunderland-7104014

    where you may or may not be astounded to find that a headline

    Sam Allardyce would QUIT as Sunderland manager if he thought they were doomed to relegation

    which might suggest the view you attribute to him, actually relates to this comment:

    Asked if he still believed his squad could claw their way to safety Allardyce, who has a proud record of never being relegated, replied: “I wouldn’t be here if I didn’t think that — I might as well pack my bags now.”

    which bears no relation to the attitude you impart to him.
  • SwissironSwissiron
    right on cue, Grey ;ok
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    Swiss

    Any reason you didn't bother to check for yourself before drawing disparaging conclusions about him?
  • Slaven_Cups_His_BeardSlaven_Cups_His_Beard
    Jeez....no wonder his book made such headlines / comments with the serialisation.

    He's basically said nothing of the sort and they've come out with a made up headline, what a surprise.

  • simoncsimonc
    Right Decision ;ok - Lets see where we are after 38 games.
    I think in a far better position :)
    I for one would like to have seen Nene play more, he could have been last years Lanzini if he had settled in. With good management Zarate could also have made a difference he did when he played ;hmm
    Onward and upward, hopefully Payet doesn't get lured away in Jan & we can show our class and watch some great football over the remainder of the season.
  • HammerexHammerex
    There was also a lot of comments on this site that did not want Bilic and thought
    we should stick with Sam. I am glad that I was not one of them.No more Hoof. ;bowdown
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