Nuno - twist or stick?

EXETERHAMMER · October 27

But…..as you said

If Kilman goes into midfield, we are left short at the back.

Our midfield is a conundrum.

I think Soucek should be starting, probably with Engels. I also would like Kante in there as well as Musaka.

ASLEFshrugged · October 27

jay_in_cpt said:
That's ok, it's fine we don't see the same thing...

For me, being in London is a bonus, although London by all accounts is certainly not what it used to be, that's sad in itself.....

But I do still believe that we would be a better option than the likes of Hull, Middlesbrough, WBA, Ipswich and Coventry for sure ( even though some are in The PL right now, I'm not sure they all will be next season....)….Palace & Bournemouth we could say are similar level to us, apart from the league we're currently in...

The fact we've been in the PL for the past 14 seasons and only now find ourselves in The EFL is what it is, a poor start between Potter and a lack of skill/ bravery when needed from NES that couldn't muster the points/wins to save us.....

Your quote of "just another ex-top flight team in the second tier" IMO is way off, we haven't been out of there for nearly 15 years, that's a bit different to some of those yo-yo clubs......Oh well....

In NES we have to trust, I really hope he proves me wrong, I really do....Whether he does is another matter though , time will tell....👍🏻⚒️

If London is a bonus then QPR, Charlton and M..scum are just as attractive as us while Fulham, Palace and Brentford are all above us (in every sense)

By who's accounts? The main reason I'm moving out of London when I retire is that its going to be too expensive to live here on a pension.

Other clubs have a history like ours, Southampton had ten seasons in the Premier League and were a top flight club from 1978 to 2005 during which time we were relegated four times. Boro had 11 seasons in the Prem, Coventry was a top flight club for 34 years.

Just because we are West Ham doesn't change the fact that we in the Championship and potential managers won't look at us the same as they would have when we were in the Premier League

We got relegated because we were mismanaged by the owners and we were poor for two season. We had four managers between May 2024 to September 2025, all with different ideas of how we should play and the fourth manager inherited the resulting chaos

We were very lucky to get BFS the last time we were relegated and keeping Nuno was probably the best option as we were unlikely to get anyone better

jay_in_cpt · October 27

ASLEFshrugged said:

jay_in_cpt said:
That's ok, it's fine we don't see the same thing...

For me, being in London is a bonus, although London by all accounts is certainly not what it used to be, that's sad in itself.....

But I do still believe that we would be a better option than the likes of Hull, Middlesbrough, WBA, Ipswich and Coventry for sure ( even though some are in The PL right now, I'm not sure they all will be next season....)….Palace & Bournemouth we could say are similar level to us, apart from the league we're currently in...

The fact we've been in the PL for the past 14 seasons and only now find ourselves in The EFL is what it is, a poor start between Potter and a lack of skill/ bravery when needed from NES that couldn't muster the points/wins to save us.....

Your quote of "just another ex-top flight team in the second tier" IMO is way off, we haven't been out of there for nearly 15 years, that's a bit different to some of those yo-yo clubs......Oh well....

In NES we have to trust, I really hope he proves me wrong, I really do....Whether he does is another matter though , time will tell....👍🏻⚒️

If London is a bonus then QPR, Charlton and M..scum are just as attractive as us while Fulham, Palace and Brentford are all above us (in every sense)

By who's accounts? The main reason I'm moving out of London when I retire is that its going to be too bloody expensive to live here on a pension.

Other clubs have a history like ours, Southampton had ten seasons in the Premier League and were a top flight club from 1978 to 2005 during which time we were relegated four times. Boro had 11 seasons in the Prem, Coventry was a top flight club for 34 years.

Just because we are West Ham doesn't change the fact that we in the Championship and potential managers won't look at us the same as they would have when we were in the Premier League

We got relegated because we were mismanaged by the owners and we were poor for two season. We had four managers between May 2024 to September 2025, all with different ideas of how we should play and the fourth manager inherited the resulting chaos

We were very lucky to get BFS the last time we were relegated and keeping Nuno was probably the best option as we were unlikely to get anyone better

How can you compare us to Charlton, QPR & Millwall, they haven't been in The PL for...well donkey's years....Come on, you're having a laugh...

I might not live there anymore, but have enough friends and family, as well as all News and internet access, London IMO is sadly a sorry city that once was something else....IMO

jay_in_cpt · October 27

BTW, my comments re London really make me sad, while it's no longer my home, being born in The London Hospital and growing up there, it does make me sad seeing it's decline, IMO.

Fortuneseeker · October 27

EXETER, What would your line up look like with those four in the midfield?

jay_in_cpt · October 27

@ASLEFshrugged said this :
Other clubs have a history like ours, Southampton had ten seasons in the Premier League and were a top flight club from 1978 to 2005 during which time we were relegated four times. Boro had 11 seasons in the Prem, Coventry was a top flight club for 34 years.

But IMHO......
These clubs again you are talking about so many years ago, recent years they've had no PL history, it's not really an argument you can bring to the table IMO.

EXETERHAMMER · October 27

Fortuneseeker said:
EXETER, What would your line up look like with those four in the midfield?

Bowen + one of Autbo, Taty or Pablo in front of them.

Probably a 4 - 1- 3 - 2 with Soucek or Engels as CDM

Fortuneseeker · October 27

ok we got relegated but I believe we are a bigger club than the likes of Brentford or Brighton but because they are still in the PL some will say we aren't. They are better run than us I agree, but that is due to the way the owners act. Brighton paid £5.4 million in compensation to get Hurzeler from St Pauli can anyone really see us doing that and look where they are in the league. IF you don't speculate you can't expect to accumulate.

ASLEFshrugged · October 27

jay_in_cpt said:
How can you compare us to Charlton, QPR & Millwall, they haven't been in The PL for...well donkey's years....Come on, you're having a laugh...

You said "For me, being in London is a bonus". I don't think it is but if that is true for us then its true for every other London club

jay_in_cpt said:
I might not live there anymore, but have enough friends and family, as well as all News and internet access, London IMO is sadly a sorry city that once was something else....IMO

Don't believe everything you read in the news or online, most of it is nonsense written by people with a political motive

jay_in_cpt said:
But IMHO......
These clubs again you are talking about so many years ago, recent years they've had no PL history, it's not really an argument you can bring to the table IMO.

History means nothing to players and managers, despite what they might say in press conferences when they join a club

Our 14 seasons in the Premier League won't get us a single point this season and won't help us recruit a better manager if we sack Nuno

jay_in_cpt · October 27

ASLEFshrugged said:

jay_in_cpt said:
How can you compare us to Charlton, QPR & Millwall, they haven't been in The PL for...well donkey's years....Come on, you're having a laugh...
You said "For me, being in London is a bonus". I don't think it is but if that is true for us then its true for every other London club
jay_in_cpt said:
I might not live there anymore, but have enough friends and family, as well as all News and internet access, London IMO is sadly a sorry city that once was something else....IMO
Don't believe everything you read in the news or online, most of it is nonsense written by people with a political motive
jay_in_cpt said:
But IMHO......
These clubs again you are talking about so many years ago, recent years they've had no PL history, it's not really an argument you can bring to the table IMO.
History means nothing to players and managers, despite what they might say in press conferences when they join a club

Our 14 seasons in the Premier League won't get us a single point this season and won't help us recruit a better manager if we sack Nuno

All about opinions Aslef, and my opinion remains about London and what it is now....mainstream news is rubbish and IMO mostly inaccurate.....
But as I said already, it's no problem we have different views on it.......

jay_in_cpt · October 27

https://www.claretandhugh.info/report-drops-managerial-bombshell-as-feelers-put-out-for-nuno-replacement-west-ham-news/

It’s only C & H … but the rumours are around

MrsGrey · October 27

Nothing to do with C&H.

They are just reporting what they read in Football Insider.
Which is generally not very reliable or authoritative, just clickbait.

But that's how the internet works these days. Rubbish amplifies rubbish and the algorithm serves you up yet more of the exact same rubbish. And suddenly that's all you see so it looks like it must be true.

jay_in_cpt · October 28

MrsGrey said:
Nothing to do with C&H.

They are just reporting what they read in Football Insider.
Which is generally not very reliable or authoritative, just clickbait.

But that's how the internet works these days. Rubbish amplifies rubbish and the algorithm serves you up yet more of the exact same rubbish. And suddenly that's all you see so it looks like it must be true.

Mrs G, in all fairness I do understand how the internet works thank you 👍🏻

Slacker · October 28

MrsGrey said:
Nothing to do with C&H.

They are just reporting what they read in Football Insider.
Which is generally not very reliable or authoritative, just clickbait.

But that's how the internet works these days. Rubbish amplifies rubbish and the algorithm serves you up yet more of the exact same rubbish. And suddenly that's all you see so it looks like it must be true.

And then it spreads like wildfire and the “ he’s lost the dressing room” stuff starts.

Fortuneseeker · October 28

Give it time Slacker

ASLEFshrugged · October 28

jay_in_cpt said:
All about opinions Aslef, and my opinion remains about London and what it is now....mainstream news is rubbish and IMO mostly inaccurate.....
But as I said already, it's no problem we have different views on it.......

We do have different views

I have the view of someone who has lived here for 60+ years and still currently lives In London

You have the view of someone who used to live in London but doesn’t anymore

I agree about the UK mainstream media being inaccurate, its owned by multi millionaires who want to portray London in a negative light

But that’s politics (apparently)

OutcastLondoner · October 28

ASLEFshrugged said:

jay_in_cpt said:
All about opinions Aslef, and my opinion remains about London and what it is now....mainstream news is rubbish and IMO mostly inaccurate.....
But as I said already, it's no problem we have different views on it.......
We do have different views

I have the view of someone who has lived here for 60+ years and still currently lives In London

You have the view of someone who used to live in London but doesn’t anymore

I agree about the UK mainstream media being inaccurate, its owned by multi millionaires who want to portray London in a negative light

But that’s politics (apparently)

And the social media platforms and “alternative media” are also often owned or connected to the very rich or those who profit a lot from portraying London a certain way.

MrsGrey · October 28

I live in London and am very glad I do. I really like it.

jay_in_cpt · October 28

I’m
Glad you all happy living in London as it is today 👏

IronHerb · October 28

How is it jay?

claretandbluesky · October 28

To be fair speaking as though London were able to be measured as any one thing is ignoring the fact that it's huge, there are places it would be an absolute privilege to live and yet go a few miles down the road and it would be as far from that as you can get. The same as any Capital city. I've lived in both parts.

chicagohammer · October 28

It is really unfortunate that just in the past year I have had at least two casual conversations with strangers that have truly shocked me, just folks I have met in a hotel pool, at car shows etc, who have expressed how sorry they are that the UK is losing its culture and identity…… I have to be careful not to be to rude but I of course tell them that I go back every year and to please not believe everything they may read on the internet.

Living and working in Chicago I am fully aware of how the news and even politicians with the strongest platform can falsely characterize a city, I have grown to love this place and will stand up for it at every opportunity.

Rant over

jay_in_cpt · October 28

IronHerb said:
How is it jay?

@IronHerb it is what it is, now you go take that how ever you’d like to 👍🏻

claretandbluesky · October 28

It's the nature of social media as a tool to manipulate perception and get people to adopt view points which can be turned into anger and political support. Social media subverts democracy via false information. Democracy by it's nature invites the problem however, it's a flaw that is always there to be exploited.

You would need people to become proficient in critical thinking and information evaluation to strengthen the walls, but that's not happening anytime soon. As a human we are not too dissimilar to AI, a machine filled with data which illicit a response to stimulus arrived at from that data, so we are only as intelligent as the data providers, parents, local influences, education system and media.

There are of course differences in that we can educate ourselves and so seek out data ourselves (why authoritarian regimes would ban books and attack seats of academia) and more importantly recognise our self awareness that is prior to any data response or identity derived from it, but that's a rare one indeed.

jay_in_cpt · October 29

For the record I base my thoughts on many things, but MAINLY speaking with my family , my mum who is turning 80, my brother who’s 60 and a large group of close friends , they ALL live and work around different parts of London ( all 4 parts,North, South, East & West London ) …My thoughts are from regular chats with them as well as keeping up to date with many different news and social media …
I would also like to think I’m educated well enough to make a comment like I have, it’s certainly not based watching a couple of YouTube videos 🙄🙄🙄
Anyhow, I firmly stand by my comment, a very simple one, London is NOT the city it used to be IMO, simple as that , cheers everybody 👍🏻

jay_in_cpt · October 29

That’s my final comment about London , I’ll be there in under 3 weeks to have a good look around for myself…. After all, this is a thread about NES and his performance as our manager. So for me, I’ve said what I’ve said , I’ve read everything everyone has had to say and won’t comment further 👍🏻

Lukerz · October 30

I think some managers you bond with & others you don’t. Since I was 11, I have felt sad about three managers leaving; Pardew, Zola, Bilic. The rest have all been ‘meh’ for me, even the likes of Sam & Moyes who worked wonders for our club.

Nuno falls into the same category for me, but I do feel he is the best we could have at this level & he has been here now over a year - it would are our promotion push back if we made a change now for the sake of freshening it up.

jay_in_cpt · October 31

Let's discuss here ....So NES, is he the man to lead us forward...Not convinced ....

I think I and one or 2 others are in trouble with Mrs G, it just happens naturally.......

BubblesNeverDies · October 31

jay_in_cpt said:
Let's discuss here ....So NES, is he the man to lead us forward...Not convinced ....

I think I and one or 2 others are in trouble with Mrs G, it just happens naturally.......

Don't understand the last sentence Jay.

Lukerz · October 31

He won’t go but I always felt he should have gone in summer for Parker - I know that was not popular

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