Nuno - twist or stick?

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edited 6:06PM in Management & Board
This discussion was created from comments split from: West Ham vs Southampton.

I've split this off from the Southampton match thread, as it's not really about the match.
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  • BarneyBarney
    Nuno has to go. If we do get promoted he is not the manager we need for the premiership and I am not convinced of him in this league. Really disappointing result and the way we managed the game.
  • SlackerSlacker
    Barney said:

    Nuno has to go. If we do get promoted he is not the manager we need for the premiership and I am not convinced of him in this league. Really disappointing result and the way we managed the game.

    Here we go.

  • jay_in_cptjay_in_cpt
    Slacker said:

    Barney said:

    Nuno has to go. If we do get promoted he is not the manager we need for the premiership and I am not convinced of him in this league. Really disappointing result and the way we managed the game.

    Here we go.

    What is wrong with someone having the opposite opinion than yourself, is it really necessary to diss anyone else's view that differs from your own ?
  • EXETERHAMMEREXETERHAMMER
    I like Nuno.

    But he does make some odd decisions
  • jay_in_cptjay_in_cpt
    Barney said:

    Nuno has to go. If we do get promoted he is not the manager we need for the premiership and I am not convinced of him in this league. Really disappointing result and the way we managed the game.

    I didn't see the game as had no stream, so cannot comment on that, however in total agreement re NES, IMO he's overrated and doesn't get the best out of the squad available to him, and before I'm asked, who would I replace him with, that's not my decision or problem, but I'd personally get rid.....
  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    NES could win the Championship by miles this season but I still wouldn't think he is the right man to take us going forward & no I don't have any names for his replacement atm either!
  • SlackerSlacker
    jay_in_cpt said:

    Slacker said:

    Barney said:

    Nuno has to go. If we do get promoted he is not the manager we need for the premiership and I am not convinced of him in this league. Really disappointing result and the way we managed the game.

    Here we go.

    What is wrong with someone having the opposite opinion than yourself, is it really necessary to diss anyone else's view that differs from your own ?
    Mate you just seem to want to have a bit of a row with me when I post on here.
    It was simply a post bemoaning “The manager must go” stuff when we lose a game.

  • jay_in_cptjay_in_cpt
    Slacker said:

    jay_in_cpt said:

    Slacker said:

    Barney said:

    Nuno has to go. If we do get promoted he is not the manager we need for the premiership and I am not convinced of him in this league. Really disappointing result and the way we managed the game.

    Here we go.

    What is wrong with someone having the opposite opinion than yourself, is it really necessary to diss anyone else's view that differs from your own ?
    Mate you just seem to want to have a bit of a row with me when I post on here.
    It was simply a post bemoaning “The manager must go” stuff when we lose a game.

    Perhaps you should choose you words more carefully then, to me it was a complete dig...
    But hey, Slacker, you say what you want, I'm not alone who thought you were a bit insulting to others.....
  • BarneyBarney
    Jay - Although I said the result was disappointing my point about Nuno is that he is not getting the best out of a good squad for this league, he keeps tinkering, some of his substitutions I simply don't understand, he cannot get the team motivated from the start of the game, he seems lifeless on the touchline, has failed to make the midfield effective....... I could go on but it is just my view. As I said before I don't think he would be good for us in the premiership so my view is address the issue sooner rather than later. I fully appreciate that others may have a different view and I do enjoy reading other's assessments of the game and how we are doing overall. Life would be boring if we all had the same views.
  • jay_in_cptjay_in_cpt
    edited October 24
    Barney said:

    Jay - Although I said the result was disappointing my point about Nuno is that he is not getting the best out of a good squad for this league, he keeps tinkering, some of his substitutions I simply don't understand, he cannot get the team motivated from the start of the game, he seems lifeless on the touchline, has failed to make the midfield effective....... I could go on but it is just my view. As I said before I don't think he would be good for us in the premiership so my view is address the issue sooner rather than later. I fully appreciate that others may have a different view and I do enjoy reading other's assessments of the game and how we are doing overall. Life would be boring if we all had the same views.

    @Barney , very well said, I totally agree...it's not about today's result, IMO it's the bigger picture,..
    As you said, I agree everyone is entitled to have their own opinions and it would be so boring if we all shared the same thoughts....
  • jay_in_cptjay_in_cpt
    Problem also NES never seems to settle with a team this season, I know it's a long hard slog with many games, but he just seems to swap CF's every game or so, whether it's tactics, I don't know, but many of us here can see Taty as a lone striker simply doesn't work, but he still continues to do it.....All IMO....
  • SlackerSlacker
    jay_in_cpt said:

    Slacker said:

    jay_in_cpt said:

    Slacker said:

    Barney said:

    Nuno has to go. If we do get promoted he is not the manager we need for the premiership and I am not convinced of him in this league. Really disappointing result and the way we managed the game.

    Here we go.

    What is wrong with someone having the opposite opinion than yourself, is it really necessary to diss anyone else's view that differs from your own ?
    Mate you just seem to want to have a bit of a row with me when I post on here.
    It was simply a post bemoaning “The manager must go” stuff when we lose a game.

    Perhaps you should choose you words more carefully then, to me it was a complete dig...
    But hey, Slacker, you say what you want, I'm not alone who thought you were a bit insulting to others.....
    jay_in_cpt said:

    Slacker said:

    jay_in_cpt said:

    Slacker said:

    Barney said:

    Nuno has to go. If we do get promoted he is not the manager we need for the premiership and I am not convinced of him in this league. Really disappointing result and the way we managed the game.

    Here we go.

    What is wrong with someone having the opposite opinion than yourself, is it really necessary to diss anyone else's view that differs from your own ?
    Mate you just seem to want to have a bit of a row with me when I post on here.
    It was simply a post bemoaning “The manager must go” stuff when we lose a game.

    Perhaps you should choose you words more carefully then, to me it was a complete dig...
    But hey, Slacker, you say what you want, I'm not alone who thought you were a bit insulting to others.....
    Righto, thanks for the advice.

  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    I agree jay we shouldn't be struggling in the league, oh look we are 3rd atm!
    QPR beat Swansea 5-0 today. Thank goodness Kone didn't play against us the other week.
    Are Alvarez/Magassa worse than our other defensive options....... No, so why are we not playing them that is on the manager IMHO. His approach has already got us relegated & some people (no names before anyone asks) atm are questioning if he will get us back up.
  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    Nuno cut a frustrated figure in his press conference after the match, quick to leave after less than two minutes of questions.

    From the good old BBC report.
  • chicagohammerchicagohammer
    Let’s not change the manager when we are third and on course to achieve our goal of promotion at the first attempt….now should promotion be achieved I would imagine that we would present an attractive proposition to someone and if that someone was an obvious scoop then by all means have a conversation….but not now….imo, we would become the sort of team that we like to shake our heads at
  • claretandblueskyclaretandbluesky
    I agree. We have one aim this season and one measure of success. promotion.

    It's not the football, although that would be nice, it's simply promotion. Nuno is firmly in the promotion spots at present and our goal tally offers no reason to think he won't stay there as his side is comfortably outscoring everyone else.

    We have things we need improve and things that will help us avoid nervous times later in the season hopefully, but even as we stand he is achieving the aim given to him.
  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    Do we persevere with Hermansen in goal?

    Could Morato or Alvarez play as a centre back & allow Boiro to play as what is the point of having him here if we aren’t going to play him. We would quickly cancel a loan for one of our players if he wasn’t getting any game time. Magassa to tightened up the midfield.
    Nuno has better options but he is currentlly refusing to use them.
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    jay_in_cpt said:

    Barney said:

    Jay - Although I said the result was disappointing my point about Nuno is that he is not getting the best out of a good squad for this league, he keeps tinkering, some of his substitutions I simply don't understand, he cannot get the team motivated from the start of the game, he seems lifeless on the touchline, has failed to make the midfield effective....... I could go on but it is just my view. As I said before I don't think he would be good for us in the premiership so my view is address the issue sooner rather than later. I fully appreciate that others may have a different view and I do enjoy reading other's assessments of the game and how we are doing overall. Life would be boring if we all had the same views.

    @Barney , very well said, I totally agree...it's not about today's result, IMO it's the bigger picture,..
    As you said, I agree everyone is entitled to have their own opinions and it would be so boring if we all shared the same thoughts....
    How can you write that then dig someone out when you disagree?
  • jay_in_cptjay_in_cpt
    edited 8:23AM
    IronHerb said:

    jay_in_cpt said:

    Barney said:

    Jay - Although I said the result was disappointing my point about Nuno is that he is not getting the best out of a good squad for this league, he keeps tinkering, some of his substitutions I simply don't understand, he cannot get the team motivated from the start of the game, he seems lifeless on the touchline, has failed to make the midfield effective....... I could go on but it is just my view. As I said before I don't think he would be good for us in the premiership so my view is address the issue sooner rather than later. I fully appreciate that others may have a different view and I do enjoy reading other's assessments of the game and how we are doing overall. Life would be boring if we all had the same views.

    @Barney , very well said, I totally agree...it's not about today's result, IMO it's the bigger picture,..
    As you said, I agree everyone is entitled to have their own opinions and it would be so boring if we all shared the same thoughts....
    How can you write that then dig someone out when you disagree?
    @IronHerb your comment makes no sense to me whatsoever.....I Stated I couldn't comment on the game as I didn't see the game, but TBH your comment is like riddles to me.....If you are referring to my comment to @Slacker , it was regarding the way he worded it, IMO it was a complete dig at anyone else who thinks differently to himself , my comment was nothing of the sort….
    I certainly didn't have a dig at anyone, including yourself......
    Strange comment IMO
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    jay_in_cpt said:

    IronHerb said:

    jay_in_cpt said:

    Barney said:

    Jay - Although I said the result was disappointing my point about Nuno is that he is not getting the best out of a good squad for this league, he keeps tinkering, some of his substitutions I simply don't understand, he cannot get the team motivated from the start of the game, he seems lifeless on the touchline, has failed to make the midfield effective....... I could go on but it is just my view. As I said before I don't think he would be good for us in the premiership so my view is address the issue sooner rather than later. I fully appreciate that others may have a different view and I do enjoy reading other's assessments of the game and how we are doing overall. Life would be boring if we all had the same views.

    @Barney , very well said, I totally agree...it's not about today's result, IMO it's the bigger picture,..
    As you said, I agree everyone is entitled to have their own opinions and it would be so boring if we all shared the same thoughts....
    How can you write that then dig someone out when you disagree?
    @IronHerb your comment makes no sense to me whatsoever.....I Stated I couldn't comment on the game as I didn't see the game, but TBH your comment is like riddles to me.....If you are referring to my comment to @Slacker , it was regarding the way he worded it, IMO it was a complete dig at anyone else who thinks differently to himself , my comment was nothing of the sort….
    I certainly didn't have a dig at anyone, including yourself......
    Strange comment IMO
    You had a pop ate Slacker did you not?
  • jay_in_cptjay_in_cpt
    edited 9:28AM
    IronHerb said:

    jay_in_cpt said:

    IronHerb said:

    jay_in_cpt said:

    Barney said:

    Jay - Although I said the result was disappointing my point about Nuno is that he is not getting the best out of a good squad for this league, he keeps tinkering, some of his substitutions I simply don't understand, he cannot get the team motivated from the start of the game, he seems lifeless on the touchline, has failed to make the midfield effective....... I could go on but it is just my view. As I said before I don't think he would be good for us in the premiership so my view is address the issue sooner rather than later. I fully appreciate that others may have a different view and I do enjoy reading other's assessments of the game and how we are doing overall. Life would be boring if we all had the same views.

    @Barney , very well said, I totally agree...it's not about today's result, IMO it's the bigger picture,..
    As you said, I agree everyone is entitled to have their own opinions and it would be so boring if we all shared the same thoughts....
    How can you write that then dig someone out when you disagree?
    @IronHerb your comment makes no sense to me whatsoever.....I Stated I couldn't comment on the game as I didn't see the game, but TBH your comment is like riddles to me.....If you are referring to my comment to @Slacker , it was regarding the way he worded it, IMO it was a complete dig at anyone else who thinks differently to himself , my comment was nothing of the sort….
    I certainly didn't have a dig at anyone, including yourself......
    Strange comment IMO
    You had a pop ate Slacker did you not?
    Let's cut this off here and now, @IronHerb if you don't get it, let's just leave it.....
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Fortuneseeker said:

    Do we persevere with Hermansen in goal?

    Could Morato or Alvarez play as a centre back & allow Boiro to play as what is the point of having him here if we aren’t going to play him. We would quickly cancel a loan for one of our players if he wasn’t getting any game time. Magassa to tightened up the midfield.
    Nuno has better options but he is currentlly refusing to use them.

    To your first question, no.
  • jay_in_cptjay_in_cpt
    edited 10:27AM
    Lukerz said:

    Neither Mukasa or Kanté have the experience/discipline to play as a CM in a two against the better sides, so it has to be Engels & Souček then one of those two ahead behind the striker. Or both on the bench.

    Yet stubborn old NES doesn't seem to change it, this is what gets me with him, he seems to have his favourites, and if the face doesn't fit.....

    Mads, I've said it since the start, he's bang average and offers zilch IMO to the line up, I'd much sooner see Areola....

    He loves Kante, and he seems undroppable when fit, but hey, I'm just a fan and for now, I guess it has to be in NES we trust ( sort of ).......

    I still think NES won't be around too long, I'm also not sure he's the best we can get even now ( again I'm not going to say who else, because that's not my decision, but there are surely some managers out there that would look at WHUFC and think, yeh, I'd love that job.....

    After all , NES failed his first job by not keeping us up last season, IMO he had long enough to sort it out but failed....playing players out of position, consistently losing games from leading positions and some very odd substitutions.....But yet we remain with him.....

    Let's give him till Xmas, top 3 is a must for me, anything less, he can go......IMO
  • jay_in_cptjay_in_cpt
    edited 11:24AM
    I think what @Fortuneseeker has to be looked at without any claret and blue glasses on...
    With everything there it's very clear to see, with what is available to NES re squad available, he should be getting even more out of them.

    @Lukerz made a point on more than one occasion that while the results have been 'decent' the majority of the performances haven't.....

    I know of course this is a points business, but it does throw some weight IMO to the fact, there are most probably other managers out there that could get a better tune out of them.....
    I mean playing Taty as a lone striker, WHY......
    Not involving exiled players, WHY....
    Not rewarding players who deserve a start ( Austobō ) WHY......

    NES will continue to just plod along, he's had a long time to sort many issues out, but has still struggled, IMO.
  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    Are people forgetting he was in charge when we got relegated. His decisions costs us points last season which could have helped us stay up. I know it’s now bad history but he is still managing with the same mindset.
  • claretandblueskyclaretandbluesky
    edited 1:47PM
    As already pointed out our squad was assembled when in the Premier with wages aligned also. We also misspent terribly due to Lopetgui, not knowing what he was doing and some desperation prices later.

    I think I struggle to feel the sense of disappointment in our season so far and Nuno, who is ultimately responsible for it. If I framed it in the following way and asked the question where would you like us to be to not feel the disappointment with the team or dissatisfaction with how Nuno is performing?

    At present
    22 points 3rd
    27 goal difference 1st

    If we had 25 points and top of the league, would you feel that's where we should be and that Nuno was doing his job? if so that's just yesterdays match - win that and we are top with 25pts.

    If we had 31 points and so six points clear? personally I don't think we have the right to that position as we have lots of new players to get used to and a new style of play which involves taking matches to teams rather than defending and breaking.




  • buffybegoodbuffybegood
    edited 2:09PM
    Whilst I agree he made some mistakes last season, there's no way NES is the main reason we got relegated last season imo, and he's not the reason we've got so many expensive mistakes in the current squad (that really impact our current ability to recruit well) either.
  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    Who are the expensive mistakes buffy?
    One of our players is currently the top goalscorer in the Bundesliga!
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    jay_in_cpt said:

    I still think NES won't be around too long, I'm also not sure he's the best we can get even now ( again I'm not going to say who else, because that's not my decision, but there are surely some managers out there that would look at WHUFC and think, yeh, I'd love that job.....

    After all , NES failed his first job by not keeping us up last season, IMO he had long enough to sort it out but failed....playing players out of position, consistently losing games from leading positions and some very odd substitutions.....But yet we remain with him.....

    Let's give him till Xmas, top 3 is a must for me, anything less, he can go......IMO

    If we couldn’t get a manager better than Nuno while we were in the Premier League why on earth would anyone better want to come here while we’re in the Championship
  • IronHerbIronHerb


    jay_in_cpt said:

    IronHerb said:

    jay_in_cpt said:

    IronHerb said:

    jay_in_cpt said:

    Barney said:

    Jay - Although I said the result was disappointing my point about Nuno is that he is not getting the best out of a good squad for this league, he keeps tinkering, some of his substitutions I simply don't understand, he cannot get the team motivated from the start of the game, he seems lifeless on the touchline, has failed to make the midfield effective....... I could go on but it is just my view. As I said before I don't think he would be good for us in the premiership so my view is address the issue sooner rather than later. I fully appreciate that others may have a different view and I do enjoy reading other's assessments of the game and how we are doing overall. Life would be boring if we all had the same views.

    @Barney , very well said, I totally agree...it's not about today's result, IMO it's the bigger picture,..
    As you said, I agree everyone is entitled to have their own opinions and it would be so boring if we all shared the same thoughts....
    How can you write that then dig someone out when you disagree?
    @IronHerb your comment makes no sense to me whatsoever.....I Stated I couldn't comment on the game as I didn't see the game, but TBH your comment is like riddles to me.....If you are referring to my comment to @Slacker , it was regarding the way he worded it, IMO it was a complete dig at anyone else who thinks differently to himself , my comment was nothing of the sort….
    I certainly didn't have a dig at anyone, including yourself......
    Strange comment IMO
    You had a pop ate Slacker did you not?
    Let's cut this off here and now, @IronHerb if you don't get it, let's just leave it.....
    I get it ok, it’s very obvious. IMO of course.
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