Man City found guilty of 114/115 charges
The ramifications of this are potentially huge - appeals will certainly follow but I doubt that this can be swept under the table
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I could well be wrong and I REALLY hope I am.
What larks Pip what larks.
That post disappeared when this thread was started and I thought mine was being transferred but it appears to have been deleted altogether.
So I don't know what happened. Sorry.
However, we don't have the function that used to allow us to move posts from one thread to another.
The best we can do is to copy and paste....
But anyway, your thoughts are now recorded on the relevant discussion:-)
70 point reduction
100m fine
The record books to show titles won with rule breaking.
The owners can afford any fine, so relegation is perhaps the best punishment.
I know the financial circumstances were slightly different, but Rangers were thrown out of the league in Scotland a few years ago, had to reapply for membership, and to restart at the bottom of the league (League 2 equivalent).
Probably won’t happen, but I do like the thought of Erling Haaland, et al trying to find Accrington Stanley on the map!! 😂⚒
I would like to see stronger sanctions against the individuals responsible - significant fines, expulsions from the game and a proper investigation to determine if criminal charges can be brought.
There is probably room for civil suits to be brought against them by the clubs adversely effected.
Then the record is adjusted, and any new league table positions should reflect the deduction. If the league trophy gets given to a different club, so be it.
Then, if individual clubs feel that they have suffered financially, using the new table as evidence, they can sue Man City directly for compensation.
I don't think PL fining City is an appropriate punishment. I feel the punishment should relate to 'sporting success', and should be applied to each season that was affected.
As for cups, obviously the PL has no jurisdiction over those competitions.
So I think those bodies that do should also look to sanction City for cheating their way to success.
Specifically, for any Cup they won, to disqualify City and give the runner up the Cup.
Not ideal, but you can't deduct points, and you can't really say what would have happened if the situation had been different ( eg, certain players not playing for City) on a match by match basis.
Not sure if the competition rules allow for that, but that's what I think :-)
Also, I read that the reason there's not a published or set series of financial sanctions for each category or type of offence is that the PL clubs voted against it. Because if a club knew what a sanction was going to be in advance, they might decide the cost would be worth it.
Not so sure about the retrospective award of cups and titles, as I for one wouldn't get over excited after being told we won the cup 14 years ago.
The whole situation is a right can of worms.
And players would have winner's medals that they could display, and pass down to to their offspring or give to a supported charity to auction and raise funds, etc.
From what I've read/heard in recent days, a lot of the fans, players and staff of the clubs who missed out don't even necessarily want to be awarded titles that they know deep down they didn't win on the pitch - even if the team they were up against was fraudulently put together.
If they are going to strip Man City of them all, they should just have no winners that year IMO. It will look odd in the history books, but then there's going to be some kind of asterisk alongside them now anyway.
I could see them getting a huge fine and big points deduction, which effectively relegates them to the Championship for next season.
They get chucked out and other athletes, who competed fairly, get fairly rewarded with medals that they had, before, been cheated out of.
Fair enough if you don't think like that, Jorderz. But profiting by cheating makes my blood boil.
If I ruled the world, the punishment for City would be more draconian than I outlined above.
You know I should be ruling the world, right!?
Dont care they cheated, the rules they have broken are a shambles that created a established elite that could never be challenged
Its rubbish, why cant an owner of a business not spend what they want, its embarrassing
Why im so sick of the prem, ifs miserable we may get the odd season in Europe but we will NEVER be able to compete with the Uniteds, Liverpool, Arsenal etc. Even if we werebought by a quadrillionnaire
If you asked me would I take a swap that West Ham had the same success over the last 20 years that City had knowing.you cheated, I'd take that every time
Football is broken and it was broken before City cheated, and it means nothing that they paid Mancini the odd million more
Expect the punishment to be severe though, would love for City to snap back and be ruthless when they do come back
The players played, beat the other teams around them and the most innocent of interested parties, the fans, celebrated - taking away titles, medals and demoting the team hits the innocent parties the hardest.
If the charges are upheld then imo, expelling individuals from the game and hitting them personally with civil suits will surely make officials think twice in the future.
Man City will certainly face fines as it happened on there watch and rightfully so but Clubs that were adversely affected could also try and additionally claim compensation through the civil courts from the individuals involved and any corporations that actively facilitated the payments
The comparison with Olympians who cheat is not quite the same in my eyes as it is generally assumed that the athletes themselves are active participants in the cheating behavior.
Just my tuppence worth
I take you point that the individual players (presumably) played in good faith. But some of the charges relate to City fiddling the books so that they looked like they were staying within the FFP rules. but really, they were lying - so could afford to buy 'better' players than other clubs could.
If we want to be fair to players who did nothing wrong, what would be fair to the players from other clubs who did nothing wrong but suffered as a result of the cheating club?Their careers (not playing in CL, say, or not getting a better transfer) and finances (transfer fees, wages, bonuses) were damaged as a result.
I really can't see the PL re-writing the history books; far too many cans of worms to be opened there, it would be never ending. Every team that finished 2nd in seasons they won, every team that missed out on Champions League by 1 place, every team that missed Europa League by 1 place, every team that got relegated in 18th position, they can all argue that they missed out and were hugely affected financially.
I can see this including a points deduction, but the PL won't want it to hurt their product too much, so I can't see it even getting Man City relegated once. I can see a huge fine, a transfer embargo, and a 25 point deduction.