Couldn't think - June 2025 onwards

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  • Expat_HammerExpat_Hammer
    alderz said:

    buffybegood said:

    alderz, MOTM thread has closed, but somehow Summerville has lost a vote from the earlier summary.

    Just a typo, but thank you!
    You have been audited 😁😁😁
  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    Did anyone see someone on Sky Sports earlier discussing the reasons behind the upcoming fans protests?
  • buffybegoodbuffybegood
    Expat_Hammer said:

    alderz said:

    buffybegood said:

    alderz, MOTM thread has closed, but somehow Summerville has lost a vote from the earlier summary.

    Just a typo, but thank you!
    You have been audited 😁😁😁
    Coming to a spreadsheet near you:

    The Auditor 😂🤣😂
  • alderzalderz
    Sometimes I think I’m the saddest one on the forum because of all the counting and spreadsheets, but now TheAuditor™️ is here I feel better about it.
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Only sometimes? 😂
  • buffybegoodbuffybegood
    Levy has been sacked by Spurs:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c9qng2rj38do
  • claretandblueskyclaretandbluesky
    Spurs fans will be happy but he leaves them with a superb stadium and great training facilities. I find it hard to agree with much of the criticism that our board get but the one that holds most water is our lack of quality infrastructure, in that we don't own our stadium and our training facilities leave a lot to be desired. I recognise you can't have an open top bus parade for a stadium but it does secure the long term position of the club and the training facilities will serve successive teams for many years.
  • buffybegoodbuffybegood
    claretandbluesky said:

    Spurs fans will be happy but he leaves them with a superb stadium and great training facilities. I find it hard to agree with much of the criticism that our board get but the one that holds most water is our lack of quality infrastructure, in that we don't own our stadium and our training facilities leave a lot to be desired.

    Spurs fans have got nothing at all to complain about if you compare the job Levy has done to what Sullivan has done as our chairman, chalk and cheese.

  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    From the Athletic

    Interesting


  • alderzalderz
    Says something about being London based, I think.
  • KuchinghammerKuchinghammer
    Surprised the midland teams have so few locals
  • BubblesNeverDiesBubblesNeverDies
    Very surprised to see Spuds with only 2 players
    Would be interesting to see the number of players brought up in the same country as the club. ;)
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    edited September 11
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c8643dp5043o

    So that's Chelsea joining City for relegation this season then. 😂
  • alderzalderz
    Just found out that Valon Behrami is sporting director at Watford
  • SlackerSlacker
    Here’s a radical thought.
    How about a complete transfer ban worldwide for say, two years?It would force managers to use their squads and not flash the cash when someone’s got a nasty cold ( I’m looking at you Chelsea) plus it would encourage the progress of young home grown players into first team squads. and those pesky agents would be out of work.🎉
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Nice idea but I think Bosman pretty much blew that out of the water.
  • SlackerSlacker
    IronHerb said:

    Nice idea but I think Bosman pretty much blew that out of the water.

    In the words of the great David Byrne “Stop making sense”.😉

  • SlackerSlacker
    I appreciate that Sullivan has made mistakes and many false promises.What I don’t really get is how it would make that much difference if there was a change of ownership ,unless it’s a City or Chelsea type deal ( which, personally I wouldn’t be at all happy with).This board has spent big( in West Ham terms) over the past few years, maybe not on the right players but is that their fault or the manager/ recruitment head?
    It wasn’t Sullivan’s fault on Saturday that we left a bloke completely unmarked at the back post, or heads drop when we go behind.
    Don’t get me wrong I’m not a Sullivan/Brady apologist, I just don’t know if changing the ownership would change the club’s fortunes.
  • alderzalderz
    I think that the point is the apparent absence of long term strategy. We have a squad that’s been build for/by Motes, Lopetegui and Potter, all of whom have very different footballing ideologies and approaches. That leads us to having spent big on players that don’t suit the next manager, or the one after.

    If Potter got sacked, for example, there’s a decent chance we end up with Nuno. Does that mean the head of recruitment also goes? Does that mean the players signed for Potter’s style need to be moved on? I think people really just want to see an identity that is accompanied by a long term strategy or vision.

    All that being said, I’m far less anti-everything than a lot of people so maybe I’m wrong.
  • buffybegoodbuffybegood
    Slacker said:

    Don’t get me wrong I’m not a Sullivan/Brady apologist, I just don’t know if changing the ownership would change the club’s fortunes.

    For me, Sullivan just has no interest in the club other than how much money it can make him. He and Brady are also nowhere near as good at running a club as they think they are. All they saw was short term gain from the stadium move, but now our potential for commercial revenue growth, which is so vitally important if you want to grow a club under the current rules and regs, is severely limited so we're being left further and further behind.

    I'm not saying all other owners are perfect, but there aren't many that have so little respect for their supporters, or "customers" as Brady would rather us be. They've put us in a stadium that was never meant to be permanent in its current configuration, is already showing signs of deterioration and yet is costing its owners a fortune as it is so there's little hope of required maintenance being done.

    I think Sullivan is playing a game of multi-million pound chicken with (effectively) the GLA under whichever umbrella holding currently owns the stadium, as the current situation, with the stadium losing millions of pounds every year and with maintenance costs only going to rise, just isn't a viable long term option for the GLA or its rate-payers.
  • SlackerSlacker
    edited September 15
    alderz said:

    I think that the point is the apparent absence of long term strategy. We have a squad that’s been build for/by Motes, Lopetegui and Potter, all of whom have very different footballing ideologies and approaches. That leads us to having spent big on players that don’t suit the next manager, or the one after.

    If Potter got sacked, for example, there’s a decent chance we end up with Nuno. Does that mean the head of recruitment also goes? Does that mean the players signed for Potter’s style need to be moved on? I think people really just want to see an identity that is accompanied by a long term strategy or vision.

    All that being said, I’m far less anti-everything than a lot of people so maybe I’m wrong.

    You make an excellent point regarding the players we currently have being bought by different managers. It kind of underlines my thoughts about sticking with a manger to build that future vision.
    But these days who’s given the time to do that?
    The revolving door of management doesn’t help,
    just look at Man United.
    I know it’s a different era but the two most successful managers in recent history are Wenger and Ferguson and look how long they were at their respective clubs.

  • alderzalderz
    Slacker said:

    alderz said:

    I think that the point is the apparent absence of long term strategy. We have a squad that’s been build for/by Motes, Lopetegui and Potter, all of whom have very different footballing ideologies and approaches. That leads us to having spent big on players that don’t suit the next manager, or the one after.

    If Potter got sacked, for example, there’s a decent chance we end up with Nuno. Does that mean the head of recruitment also goes? Does that mean the players signed for Potter’s style need to be moved on? I think people really just want to see an identity that is accompanied by a long term strategy or vision.

    All that being said, I’m far less anti-everything than a lot of people so maybe I’m wrong.

    You make an excellent point regarding the players we currently have being bought by different managers. It kind of underlines my thoughts about sticking with a manger to build that future vision.
    But these days who’s given the time to do that?
    The revolving door of management doesn’t help,
    just look at Man United.
    I know it’s a different era but the two most successful managers in recent history are Wenger and Ferguson and look how long they were at their respective clubs.

    I agree that nobody gets time these days, but I think that's where a long term strategy from the people that are there for long term is so important. There are sides who seem to have a clear idea of how they want to play and what they want from their managers, and they are able to identify managers and players who fit that vision - Brighton, Bournemouth and Brentford are regularly cited examples. Every time they need a new manager, those sides seem able to find managers who fit the vision, rather than allowing the new manager to set the vision themselves.

    I, personally, have little faith that a Potter replacement would be a strategic appointment to continue building towards whatever it is Potter wants to build towards.
  • claretandblueskyclaretandbluesky
    I think at the time of Lopetgui it was a strategic appointment, IF Potter were replaced it would be an emergency change to prevent the catastrophe of relegation. Just as clubs used to call on Big Sam a few years back. They knew he wasn't going to be their manager but they couldn't afford relegation.
  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    Has anyone read the 1382 worded statement from the club? What do you make of it?
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Yes, no more than you would expect though. Highlighting how well they think they've done but not recognising the concerns of the fans. Saying that I think WHUISC have asked the wrong questions and forwarding a 'vote of no confidence' in the board is meaningless.
    I don't believe anything will change as a result of the current FAB discussions or WHUISC actions.
  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    @IronHerb, What do you think are the right questions they should have asked them?
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Fortuneseeker said:

    @IronHerb, What do you think are the right questions they should have asked them?

    For me -

    You claim this is a world class stadium. Please explain why it is universally mocked by the football fraternity.
  • OutcastLondonerOutcastLondoner
    IronHerb said:

    Fortuneseeker said:

    @IronHerb, What do you think are the right questions they should have asked them?

    For me -

    You claim this is a world class stadium. Please explain why it is universally mocked by the football fraternity.

    You must’ve missed the part about bringing in Tifos - because a big banner will make others take us seriously!
  • MIAHammerMIAHammer
    A memory from 10 years ago today

  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    IronHerb said:

    Fortuneseeker said:

    @IronHerb, What do you think are the right questions they should have asked them?

    For me -

    You claim this is a world class stadium. Please explain why it is universally mocked by the football fraternity.
    Maybe not those exact words but here’s what they asked

    From the Letter of No Confidence in the Board on the Supporters Trust website

    “ It is a damning indictment of the club, and in particular the stadium, which far from being viewed as “World Class” is the most criticised ground in the country and home to a match day experience regularly subject to negative chanting from away fans.”

    https://www.whust.org/news/letter-of-no-confidence-in-the-board

    The board didn’t really answer the question but then the answer is pretty obvious

    The stadium was designed for athletics, it was always going to be less than perfect for football no matter how much was spent converting it and anyone who thought otherwise was kidding themselves

    Either Sullivan, Gold and Brady lied or they actually believed the nonsense they were peddling, in which case they are far more stupid than I imagined
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