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IronHerb · May 26

I don't recall Villa complaining when they scored from a 'non' corner to knock us out of the cup and cost us a potential European opportunity. .

alderz · May 26

I read that the ref had mostly done Championship games, and obviously they don’t use VAR in the EFL. That must be tricky to adapt to waiting to make a decision when he’d do the opposite in most games.

IronHerb · May 26

He has reffed 11 PL, including Villa v Man Utd, and 10 Championship games this season.

buffybegood · May 26

IronHerb said:
I don't recall Villa complaining when they scored from a 'non' corner to knock us out of the cup and cost us a potential European opportunity. .

A slight difference with potential European qualification between the 3rd round of the FA Cup and 10 minutes from the end of a PL season. Also this was a goal/no goal situation, not a corner (which has maybe only a 5-10% chance of leading to a goal)/goal kick.

IronHerb · May 26

But if they hadn't drawn with us and Ipswich and lost to Wolves earlier in the season........

Lot's of reasons they failed to qualify but it's easier to blame the ref.

Expat_Hammer · May 26

Buffey,

if the goal that was but wasn't against the blunts, then Villa might not even be in the EPL to possibly lose out on CL football. A strange old game, that's for sure.

They have had a massive income from that error, so maybe Karma has struck back

Fortuneseeker · May 26

Not the first time Aston Villa have had a dodgy decision that has cost them, look at the circumstances behind Henri Lansbury’s goal v Crystal Palace in the 2019/20 season.

Expat_Hammer · May 26

Fortuneseeker said:
Not the first time Aston Villa have had a dodgy decision that has cost them, look at the circumstances behind Henri Lansbury’s goal v Crystal Palace in the 2019/20 season.

Yeah, the ref probably thought that it was us in claret and blue

MrsGrey · May 26

buffybegood said:

IronHerb said:
I don't recall Villa complaining when they scored from a 'non' corner to knock us out of the cup and cost us a potential European opportunity. .
A slight difference with potential European qualification between the 3rd round of the FA Cup and 10 minutes from the end of a PL season. Also this was a goal/no goal situation, not a corner (which has maybe only a 5-10% chance of leading to a goal)/goal kick.

They had 38 games to accrue enough points to qualify for Europe.

The 38th is no more 'vital' than the 1st.

Their complaint is unfounded imo.

They don't get to choose who refs a game.

Fortuneseeker · May 26

Didn’t know you worked as a spokesperson for the PGMOL Mrs G 😁.

buffybegood · May 26

MrsGrey said:
Their complaint is unfounded imo.

We'll have to agree to disagree then, I think they have every right to complain about such a bad decision as I'm many of us would if it had happened to us. They're not expecting anything to happen, but I think it's quite reasonable that they make the untouchable PGMOL aware of the huge consequences of the dreadful mistake by the ref.

MrsGrey · May 26

Buffy, I think it's fair enough to complain about a bad decision. Any club, any game.

But what I think is unfounded is to claim that this match was so much more significant than any other match of the season and therefore that this referee should have been excluded from officiating.

Which is what Villa are basing their complaint on.

buffybegood · May 26

There were a number of matches that were effectively dead rubbers, or certainly ones where there was far, far less at stake, so I can certainly see why Villa are aggrieved that such an inexperienced ref was allocated to their match.

MrsGrey · May 26

Then we have different perspectives

Every single game counts - there are points for winning and drawing, none for losing.

No game is worth more than any other.

If Villa had won this one and still missed out on CL, would you feel as sympathetic if they had then decided to complain about a dodgy decision in GW 6 or GW 14 that lost them points?

MrsGrey · May 26

You say ' dead rubber ' but every league position costs money. No such thing as a dead rubber.

buffybegood · May 26

MrsGrey said:
No game is worth more than any other.

As I said, we'll have to agree to disagree, as that's simply not true. A CL place is said to be worth £50-100m, a good few of the games on Sunday were worth at most a place or two, or maybe three so a maximum of about £9m and probably a good deal less than what Villa have missed out on.

I have no particular sympathy for Villa at all, I just feel that, as is often the case, PGMOL could have done a much better job.

IronHerb · May 27

So when is a ref expected to 'step up' for a big game?

Fortuneseeker · May 27

Part of the issue which is to do with the referee allocations is there were more experienced ones available, who could have be on the Villa game, & didn’t get appointed.

Expat_Hammer · May 27

Fortuneseeker said:
Part of the issue which is to do with the referee allocations is there were more experienced ones available, who could have be on the Villa game, & didn’t get appointed.

How will the less experienced refs get the experience if they get overlooked for games. It is what it is, a pool of people available to referee games, and they get allocated to a game.

I never got to choose who done my VAT audit when I first set up my own company, just had to take who I was given. A different scenario I know, but the same thing really, you get who you are given to do the job.

Fortuneseeker · May 27

If I ever have to have a major operation I hope I get the best surgeon available which obviously wasn’t the case with the appointment of Thomas Bramall!

IronHerb · May 27

So would I, but he can't be in two places at once.

ASLEFshrugged · May 27

The ref thought the keeper had control of the ball and the Villa player had kicked it out of his hands so he blew up to award a free kick. Isn't that what he was supposed to do?

Fortuneseeker · May 27

Ironherb, In this case there was a more experienced referee available, fault on who made the appointments.
ASLEF, Clear & Obvious error which is what VAR is supposed to be there for. Referee blew too quickly thereby meaning his fault couldn’t be corrected. The officials let the game go when it’s clear a player is offside and it results in a serious injury but seem unable to do the right thing on Sunday. 🤷‍♂️

Lukerz · May 27

You do see on the close up replays Rogers steps on the hand of the keeper as he’s going for the ball. Foul.

buffybegood · May 27

ASLEFshrugged said:
The ref thought the keeper had control of the ball and the Villa player had kicked it out of his hands so he blew up to award a free kick. Isn't that what he was supposed to do?

The ref needs to be sure, if there's an element of doubt which there clearly had to be in this situation, then he lets the phase of play finish (which woulda taken about 2 seconds) and blows up; then, if he's wrong, it can be checked. So either he's bad because he saw something that didn't happen or he's bad because he should have known to let it play out. Either way, the ref is extremely poor in his decision making one way or the other.

buffybegood · May 27

Expat_Hammer said:
How will the less experienced refs get the experience if they get overlooked for games. It is what it is, a pool of people available to referee games, and they get allocated to a game.

The elss experienced refs getgiven games that are a bit less important to build up their experience, you don't have to throw them in at the deep end. You wouldn't want a ref who has only been in charge of a dozen top fliggght games to be reffing the World Cup Final, would you?

Basically, as is too often the case, PGMOL should have done a better job with allocating the officials for the games this weekend when there was so much at stake, all imo of course.

alderz · May 27

Got to be honest, if he’d kicked the ball out of Areola or Fabianski’s hands, most of us would think it was a foul. I don’t think it’s that poor a decision, I’m not sure why the consensus is that it’s an awful call.

ASLEFshrugged · May 27

Fortuneseeker said:
ASLEF, Clear & Obvious error which is what VAR is supposed to be there for. Referee blew too quickly thereby meaning his fault couldn’t be corrected. The officials let the game go when it’s clear a player is offside and it results in a serious injury but seem unable to do the right thing on Sunday. 🤷‍♂️

VAR is only used for goals, penalties, red cards and mistaken identity, not for fouls, corners or challenging the goalkeeper when they have control of ball

The change to the laws allowing play to continue when a player is offside is very specific and doesn't apply to fouls or other infringements.

The ref did everything according to the laws, he thought he saw an infringement, blew up and awarded a free kick.

buffybegood · May 27

buffybegood said:
The elss experienced refs getgiven games that are a bit less important to build up their experience, you don't have to throw them in at the deep end. You wouldn't want a ref who has only been in charge of a dozen top fliggght games to be reffing the World Cup Final, would you?

Basically, as is too often the case, PGMOL should have done a better job with allocating the officials for the games this weekend when there was so much at stake, all imo of course.

I promise I haven't been drinking 😂🤣😂. If ever there was a post that I should have proof-read first, I think this is it.

Fortuneseeker · May 27

ASLEF He still made the wrong decision which is hard to defend as it mattered a lot.
Sky Sports have of course debated the incident
and concluded the goalkeeper had spilt the ball & so Rogers was entitled to go for it and therefore the goal should have stood.

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