Another New Manager, Welcome Mr Potter

IronHerb

secrethammersfan said:

Does anyone else get the feeling that Sullivan's process of hiring a manager is not so much "we had a discussion about shared values"

I think any candidate would have walked out there and then if asked to share Sullys 'values'. Well I hope so anyway.

claretandbluesky

Yes it's all about prioritising need, but for me the centre back was the main priority along with The CM. I think we were probably gutted that we had the obligation to buy Tobido. Lopetgui recognised that CB was needed but his two big purchases have been pretty much wasted money, Tobido seems behind even Mavro now.

chicagohammer

Mavro may yet turn out to be one of our more successful signings, it may be me but he seems to have lost that guaranteed rush of blood error proneness that he displayed during J’los term.

Not saying he is the answer as he is not the leader we need back there but I think he could turn out to be a solid member of the squad

steve

Clutching at straws comes to mind

claretandbluesky

As they say, If Mavro is the answer I have no idea what the question is!

I will say however I really like him a lot and respect him, I think he struggles at this level but never hides and never stops trying his best. I suspect that is why he is ahead of Tobido at present.

I loved Zouma's reading of the game and his dominance, and Ogbonna's swagger. That's what we lack.

ScotHammer

Is Zouma still a free agent? If so, I know it's going back, but it may be the sort of leader we're missing. Short term contract??

steve

Lets also bring back James Collins and Winston Reid ,Come on people really

buffybegood

ScotHammer said:

Is Zouma still a free agent? If so, I know it's going back, but it may be the sort of leader we're missing. Short term contract??

The guy literally has no knees, he would get eaten alive in the PL now.

alderz

buffybegood said:

ScotHammer said:

Is Zouma still a free agent? If so, I know it's going back, but it may be the sort of leader we're missing. Short term contract??

The guy literally has no knees, he would get eaten alive in the PL now.

The fact he’s playing in the Romanian league at the moment tells you all you need to know.

secrethammersfan

Since Sullivan and Gold bought a stake in the club, they have employed Avram Grant, Sam Allardyce, Slaven Bilić, David Moyes, Manual Pellegrini, David Moyes, Julen Lopetegui, and Graham Potter as managers. It's difficult to see any common thread, apart, perhaps, from price?

OutcastLondoner

That was the theory behind having someone like Steidten - a person to ensure some continuity so we don’t constantly change the entire staff and approach each time a manager goes. The Athletic reported after Pellegrini’s exit that there was an internal report requested by Moyes into why we had this cultural overhaul each time. Funny thing is we’re back in the same position and we got rid of Steidten at the first hurdle. Also funny that Moyes himself didn’t like working with a figure like that. I think managers will always want their own control and team unless they’re coming into a setup where they’re confident that there’s a solid base

claretandbluesky

secrethammersfan said:

Since Sullivan and Gold bought a stake in the club, they have employed Avram Grant, Sam Allardyce, Slaven Bilić, David Moyes, Manual Pellegrini, David Moyes, Julen Lopetegui, and Graham Potter as managers. It's difficult to see any common thread, apart, perhaps, from price?

I would guess the only two who could be considered a successful appointment from that lot would be Big Sam and Moyes.

Fortuneseeker

Slaven understood the club & fans. Big Sam may have got us promoted but he nearly make a real mess of achieving it.

claretandbluesky

I guess the writing was on the wall regard their judgment of a manager with Uncle Avram, that baffled everyone other then themselves at the time.

It's so disruptive to change managers as when it's a player you just sell him and move on but now each manager comes with a team around them.

Deanscaleshammer

claretandbluesky said:

secrethammersfan said:

Since Sullivan and Gold bought a stake in the club, they have employed Avram Grant, Sam Allardyce, Slaven Bilić, David Moyes, Manual Pellegrini, David Moyes, Julen Lopetegui, and Graham Potter as managers. It's difficult to see any common thread, apart, perhaps, from price?

I would guess the only two who could be considered a successful appointment from that lot would be Big Sam and Moyes.

Perhaps the common thread could be that the fans are the ones who are incredibly hard to please?

Expat_Hammer

claretandbluesky said:

secrethammersfan said:

Since Sullivan and Gold bought a stake in the club, they have employed Avram Grant, Sam Allardyce, Slaven Bilić, David Moyes, Manual Pellegrini, David Moyes, Julen Lopetegui, and Graham Potter as managers. It's difficult to see any common thread, apart, perhaps, from price?

I would guess the only two who could be considered a successful appointment from that lot would be Big Sam and Moyes.

Maybe the only two that stood up to our wonderous owners

MrsGrey

claretandbluesky said:

secrethammersfan said:

Since Sullivan and Gold bought a stake in the club, they have employed Avram Grant, Sam Allardyce, Slaven Bilić, David Moyes, Manual Pellegrini, David Moyes, Julen Lopetegui, and Graham Potter as managers. It's difficult to see any common thread, apart, perhaps, from price?

I would guess the only two who could be considered a successful appointment from that lot would be Big Sam and Moyes.

And to some extent, Slav.

He did give us a good season for our last at the Boleyn Ground, and enabled us to dip out toes in European waters.

MIAHammer

claretandbluesky said:

I guess the writing was on the wall regard their judgment of a manager with Uncle Avram, that baffled everyone other then themselves at the time.

I was sorry to see Zola go. He did what was asked of him and kept us up. I would have liked to have given him another season. We finished in the top half in his first season.

epsom_bubbles

Zola is busy driving the buggy for one of the European golfers at the Ryder cup

OutcastLondoner

His career didn’t go so well as a manager but I have fond memories. Some really good football at first and I seem to remember us having an awful injury crisis. He was the one manager who really played our young players. Maybe not good enough in the end but one of my favourites.

I also think Bilic gave us a season of what we wanted, real entertainment, and then struggled the next season when his star player threw a strop and the signings weren’t great. I get why we got rid of him but also think if you want long term managers that was the kind of position where you have to maybe see if they can ride out a tough spell.

alderz

OutcastLondoner said:

His career didn’t go so well as a manager but I have fond memories. Some really good football at first and I seem to remember us having an awful injury crisis. He was the one manager who really played our young players. Maybe not good enough in the end but one of my favourites.

I'll always remember that Carlton Cole goal, I think against Wigan?, where we had the one touch passing move and he curled it in from the edge of the box.

OutcastLondoner said:

I also think Bilic gave us a season of what we wanted, real entertainment, and then struggled the next season when his star player threw a strop and the signings weren’t great. I get why we got rid of him but also think if you want long term managers that was the kind of position where you have to maybe see if they can ride out a tough spell.

100%. It's not ever going to be rainbows and sunshine and pure success for ever and ever. The thing is, the manager needs to have that credit in the bank to earn the trust and be stuck with through the rough times. I think Bilic deserved it, I think Potter probably hasn't earned it.

ASLEFshrugged

Zola made a very astute choice in Steve Clarke as his assistant

Zola is currently Vice President of Serie C but his last coaching job was assistant manager to Maurizio Sarri at Chelsea 2018-19 season. They finished 3rd and won the Europa League but he was only offered a job as "club ambassador" when Lampard took over in the summer so he chose to leave

Coincidentally Steve Clarke has been Scotland manager since May 2019

ASLEFshrugged

Several articles on C&H

Kretinsky doesn't want Scott Parker, Gary O’Neil or Slaven Bilic, his preferred choice is Marco Silva but Sullivan and Brady don't want to pay £8m–£10m buyout clause on his Fulham contract

Troy Deeney on talkSPORT says Sullivan wants Bilic while Brady wants Nuno

Sacking Potter would cost £3m plus whatever we'd have to pay to his coaching staff. Getting rid of Loppy was £3.6m and we paid £1m to Chelsea for Kyle Macaulay

https://www.claretandhugh.info/west-ham-exclusive-revealed-the-thee-candidates-czech-billionaire-has-vetoed/

https://www.claretandhugh.info/all-eyes-on-kretinsky-as-hammers-board-divided-west-ham-news/

https://www.claretandhugh.info/west-ham-pay-price-for-penny-pinching-as-silva-tops-wish-list/

claretandbluesky

I know it's probably rumour and gossip but It does sound about right. Kretinsky thinking longer term , Sullivan thinking cheapest and Brady somewhere in the middle.

I wonder if Silva has even been sounded out before that discussion took place? Were I him I wouldn't be swapping Fulham for West Ham at present. He Has a club that he has shaped for a good few seasons now and then add in he probably lives in a nice part of West London, Imagine his culture shock having to schlep over to Romford each day.

BubblesNeverDies

Whatdyamean, schlep over to Romford each day?

Signed
Indignant, Romford

claretandbluesky

BubblesNeverDies said:

Whatdyamean, schlep over to Romford each day?

Signed
Indignant, Romford

Apologies Bubbles, I was just imagining the rude awakening he may get if used to popping over to the Kings Rd for a spot of lunch.

OutcastLondoner

alderz said:

I'll always remember that Carlton Cole goal, I think against Wigan?, where we had the one touch passing move and he curled it in from the edge of the box.

This is the memory. I think it was also under Zola that Cole had that brief period where he was unplayable and was competing for England - until he lost his knees alongside Collison 💔

chicagohammer

He will be well advised to wait until the gallows corner flyover is fixed - just sayin

OutcastLondoner

Has anyone else seen the trend on Twitter of swapping Potter’s face onto basically any picture on the internet? I think I’m starting to feel a bit traumatised by it.

claretandbluesky

I get traumatised every time I visit twitter now, something what started out with being able to see what Stephen Fry got up to today now seems hell bent on breaking down democracy and propelling right wing parties into power in every available country. Who'd have thought it?