WHU606 Hammer of the Year

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  • buffybegoodbuffybegood
    MrsGrey said:

    But alderz set it up so perhaps had a clearer Idea of what it is intended to achieve. So can decide on criteria when MOTM isn't really MOTM..

    For sure.

    My averaging of the points comes from the fact that there are 6 points up for grabs in a match, so I just look for what I consider is the fairest way to allocate those 6 points. In a normal week, that's 3, 2, 1. This match, 3 players were clearly better than the rest, but maybe not better than each other, so 2 points each seems fair to me. If 6 players all got, say, 4 votes each, then 1 point each seems fair; they were better than the other half of the team, but obviously not outstanding if we couldn't separate 6 players. If they all get 3 points it seems harsh on the bloke who gets 15 votes the following week with the remaining votes spread among the rest of the players. All imo of course.

    But ultimately it's alderz doing all this, so whatever he decides on, goes, imo.
  • claretandblueskyclaretandbluesky
    My view would be all three get the vote. I would also have made the comp simply who gets the most MOM awards from us and the second places only counted if there is a tie. Your comp however Alderz.
  • alderzalderz
    I get that it’s my thing, but what I wanted to do is find out who our collective HOTY is for WHU606, so I want it to be everyone’s thing

    I’ll have a look at the spreadsheet and see what’s simple to work out
  • PrestonHammerPrestonHammer
    So you're comparing your spreadsheet to VAR? Interesting hahaha
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    How many decimal places shall we go down to? 🤷‍♂️

    I'm with steve on this.
  • alderzalderz
    edited November 2023
    I’ve decided to give them all first place. In this instance there’s no second or third place.

    So everyone knows, for equal points across the season, % Matches Nominated, # Matches Nominated, # MOTM, # Top 3 Finishes and then # Total Nominations as tie breakers.
  • alderzalderz
    November international break update:

    1st: Lucas Paqueta - 14pts
    2nd: James Ward-Prowse - 14pts
    3rd: Jarrod Bowen - 14pts
    4th: Mohammed Kudus - 12pts
    5th: Vladimir Coufal - 10pts

    The top 3 all have 14 points (3 points for MOTM, 2 for second place, 1 for third place) but are separated in that order as Paqueta has received nominations in 9 of his 16 appearances, which is the highest. Ward-Prowse and Bowen have both been nominated in 50% of their appearances, but JWP has received one more MOTM (3) than Bowen has (2).
  • buffybegoodbuffybegood
    What's noticeable (to me at least) is how close to those three players Kudus is given his relative lack of game time.
  • alderzalderz
    We're at the March international break now, so I figured it's time for another update:

    1st: Mohammed Kudus - 30pts
    2nd: Jarrod Bowen - 25pts
    3rd: Alphonse Areola - 24pts
    4th: Lucas Paqueta - 20pts
    5th: Vladimir Coufal - 19pts
    6th: Edson Alvarez - 18pts
    7th: Emerson Palmieri - 17pts
    8th: James Ward-Prowse - 17pts
    9th: Tomas Soucek - 10pts
    10th: Kurt Zouma - 8pts

    Most MOTM: Mohammed Kudus - 7
    Most Nomination: Alphonse Areola - 100
    Highest % of Matches Nominated: Edson Alvarez - 46%

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    Reminder: It's 3pts for being voted MOTM, 2pts for coming second, and 1pt for coming third. In case of a tie, the first tie breaker is % matches nominated. There are further tie breaks, but it's unlikely that they are going to have any impact.
  • chicagohammerchicagohammer
    Intuitively I would have thought that Bowen would be the man to beat as he has been pretty consistent this season.

    IMO, some games he has flitted in and out of but there is no doubt that Kudus has shown what a great signing he is.

    Thanks for running this Alderz, it has been an interesting and fun add on to the season
  • buffybegoodbuffybegood
    Until Antonio came back from injury, that was 10 of our starting 11, just short one CB.
  • claretandblueskyclaretandbluesky
    From an intuitive feel I would have imagined the top two a little closer together and Paquetta just above Areola in third but other than that if feels about right from watching most matches.
  • Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_MoyesJorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes
    It looks about right in terms of season performance, although I think overall Bowen has been our best player and more consistent. But Kudus has had more sparkling performances, maybe.
  • alderzalderz
    If the HOTY voting was open today I’d go for Alvarez, personally, but I have enjoyed tracking this tbh.
  • alderzalderz
    The season has ended, which means we've now got a full seasons worth of data about our MOTMs and, as a result, our collective HOTY. I think I said it in the original post about this, but I stole the idea off of some Brentford fans who I heard speak on a podcast. The player voted MOTM gets 3 points, coming in second place gets you 2 points, and third gets 1 point.

    Based on that, Mohammed Kudus comes out on top. Kudus got MOTM 11 times in his 45 appearances, and came in the top three a further 5 times. He received a total of 121 nominations, and was nominated in 18 matches - 40% of his appearances.

    Other things that I found noteworthy were:

    1. Jarrod Bowen was nominated in 21 of his 44 appearances - the highest proportion of all of our players, perhaps suggesting the greatest level of consistency.

    2. Whilst Kudus received the most nominations in total, Alphonse Areola (101) and Lukasz Fabianski (29) combined to get 130 votes. That means the goalkeeper position actually ended up getting the most when combined. Considering we conceded more league goals than we've ever conceded in the Premier League, that probably says something about our defence.

    3. Lucas Paqueta got 82 nominations - behind only Kudus, Bowen and Areola. However, since he was MOTM against Man Utd on 23rd December, he has only received ONE solitary nomination - in the draw against Burnley. The drop off in what we've all collectively seen from him has been pretty astounding.

    Overall rankings:
    1. Mohammed Kudus
    2. Jarrod Bowen
    3. Vladimir Coufal
    4. Edson Alvarez
    5. Alphonse Areola
    6. James Ward-Prowse
    7. Emerson
    8. Lucas Paqueta
    9. Michail Antonio
    10. Tomas Soucek
    11. Kurt Zouma
    12. Ben Johnson
    13. Lukasz Fabianski
    14. Konstantinos Mavropanos
    15. Danny Ings
    16. Nayef Aguerd
    17. Maxwel Cornet
    18. Angelo Ogbonna
    19. Callum Marshall
    20. Aaron Cresswell
    21. George Earthy
    22. Everyone Else

    Lastly, some people were interested in seeing the spreadsheet, so I've attached it to this post (I think... I've never done this before, so I don't know if it will work). There are three tabs you may be interested in:

    1. WHU606 HOTY. This is the summary data.
    2. Match Grid. This includes the number of nominations every player received in every individual game. Details of the games can be found across the the top (competition, opposition, venue, date, result) and the top 1 voted players for that game. A reminder that votes only counted if we got to 8 or more votes on the thread, so you'll see a couple of occasions where we have no winners despite having some votes.
    3. Minimum Expectations. This has the data for the minimum expectations threads, in case you're interested in that.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    Brilliant!
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Thanks alderz 👏👍⚒
  • claretandblueskyclaretandbluesky
    I have a friend who is not a member of this group but wanted to comment on the post after viewing it, simply forwarding her observations.


    This is so obviously flawed and does not take into consideration the true performances of each player this season. It is full of bias for all the fancy flicks and footwork you people love so much and all the running around the pitch you are all so fascinated with, ohh what an engine, I think we all know who is actually the best player in the team.

    Yours
    Mrs Areola
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    She forgot to add, 'flopping on the ball takes years of special training.'
  • BazshuayiBazshuayi
    claretandbluesky said:

    I have a friend who is not a member of this group but wanted to comment on the post after viewing it, simply forwarding her observations.


    This is so obviously flawed and does not take into consideration the true performances of each player this season. It is full of bias for all the fancy flicks and footwork you people love so much and all the running around the pitch you are all so fascinated with, ohh what an engine, I think we all know who is actually the best player in the team.

    Yours
    Mrs Areola

    Well played Sir!
  • BubblesNeverDiesBubblesNeverDies
    claretandbluesky said:

    I have a friend who is not a member of this group but wanted to comment on the post after viewing it, simply forwarding her observations.


    This is so obviously flawed and does not take into consideration the true performances of each player this season. It is full of bias for all the fancy flicks and footwork you people love so much and all the running around the pitch you are all so fascinated with, ohh what an engine, I think we all know who is actually the best player in the team.

    Yours
    Mrs Areola

    You can almost hear Humphrey Lyttelton reading out this as a letter from Mrs. Trellis. =)
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