Other games, 17/18/19 October
Liverpool 1-0 up after 2 minutes but Van Dijk is coming off after a horrible challenge from Pickford
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The collar on the Liverpool shirt makes it look like they've put it on back-to-front
Wow.
but the fact that he was rotated with Jussi, Hart, Randolph as our #1 and then clearly replaced by Fabianski shows that he wasn't probably good enough (for the level Liverpool compete at)
Really beginning to hate Liverpool..... don't get me wrong I thought the VAR decisions were wrong....but they are so entitled that they are going to complain when they probably benefit more from VAR than any team since its introductions
Imagine if every team did this after every bad VAR call
And you just know that they are the only team that will likely be listened to, whereas if we'd complain they would just chuck our complaint in the bin
Between that and the recent power play with United (another of VARs biggest benefactors).....getting sick of them
Don't wish injury on anyone....but is be very very happy if VVD isn't fit for our game, Antonio would bully Gomez
For me it is irrelevant which teams are involved, except for the fact that the likes of Liverpool/Man Utd are voices that are more likely to be heard and listened to.
The Premier League show this on their web-site; https://www.premierleague.com/news/1488423 . So they use 5 cameras for VAR running at 50 Frames per second. This is double the speed BT Sport is currently broadcast at and the same as Sky Sports main event.
So VAR gives the referee double the number of frames seen by any viewer on BT Sport.
If you are viewing on a mobile device, the BT App streams in 720p resolution - that makes it 44% of the size seen on a 1080p TV - bear in mind the cameras used are 1080p, so 4K TV will not give a more accurate result as their images are scaled up by the TV.
What I'm getting at here, is that the images we see on the TV screen are not the same as those seen by the Referees, who have more detail than is sent to the broadcasters. So whilst we may not see why the offside is given, we are not seeing what the referee sees.
This clearly does not explain the ridiculous decision made on Pickford's assault on VVD, but hopefully helps a bit regarding offsides.
I also think that 50fps relates to the moving image. Once he the frame is frozen, we’re all seeing the same thing.
The 50 FPS v 25 FPS means that the Referees see twice as many frames than we see on the TV. We are not seeing the same image as they see. Dependent on what service we subscribe to we are seeing half the frames at half the resolution- so a quarter of the information.
I know for Cricket the broadcasters also do not have access to the full Hawkeye information, whether the Football broadcasters do or not, I don’t know, but suspect they don’t.
And even then it still shows a terrible misuse of this technology. It is clear interference with the game. The point of offside is not about an absolute “you are offside or not” but whether advantages are gained. Once it becomes impossible for players to know whether they’re gaining advantages, for not just the human eye but ordinary broadcasting tech to capture it, then it has gone too far.
The frame rate issue is actually not so much for the TV or viewer we have, but very relevant for the cameras capturing the action. Technology exists to allow you to smooth the images shown on TV, whether normal speed or slow motion, the higher the camera frame rate the more accurate the image.
Whilst the VAR officials are drawing their lines on the images they see, these are then reformatted and provided to the broadcasters who adjust the size (and frame rate) to the service (and viewer) they are providing. It is in this reformatting that the real difference between what we see and the VAR official sees comes in.
So Mane wouldn’t have had an advantage if he stood 1cm further back? That’s not the spirit of the rule for me. The technicalities of the rule always change but the spirit of it, the purpose for it existing, is meant to be preserved. This is soul-sucking.
Imo it should be indicative of the foot position, especially as footballer often have chips in their boots
If an attacker is making a run they are leaning forward so their upper body can be offside despite the fact their run started in an onside position
Gives an advantage to the attacker but not too much that defender will be exposed too badly which i think Wengers suggestion would result in and would be exploited by attackers