Covid19: Support and Chat

chicagohammer

Not bothering to cut and paste quotes but I do not think that anyone really considers shopping once a week over three times a week constitutes panic buying.

The Govt advice appears solid to me, you shop once instead of three times a week, you reduce the chance of you catching the virus, or passing it on unknowingly by two thirds.

I think that when you are asked to give up some of your civil liberties, I.e please do not do what you want when you want, then the onus is on Govt to tell us why.

In this instance, IMO, the Why is targeting slowing down the number of infections, it is not nessessarily reducing the infections, (although that would be great) but slowing down the pace so that our health systems are not overrun.

That does not seem to be a difficult message, it is one that most should be able to grasp, alongside strong reassurance that the Availability of basics such as water, electricity and food would not be interrupted - I think that would go along way towards avoiding panic buying

SuzanneClaret

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There is enough food, loo roll etc to go around. There was before. People just shopped once a week, shelves in shops would not be employ and every one would be a lot safer.

SuzanneClaret

MrsGrey said:

SuzanneClaret said:

H1N1 / H1N5 and COVID-19 originated in China as a result of terrible/no animal husbandry.


There is an argument for quarantine (like they currently do with pets) for those who travel from areas where viruses of this nature originate.

We do TB checks at our boarders and I had to have a yellow fever vaccine to travel to a country whose name escapes me.

No reason why a similar system can’t be set up to prevent a similar spread of a contagion from happening again.

I thought at least one of those was from Mexico/USA? (But not sure.)

For your main point about quarantine, how do you quarantine for a new virus that nobody knows about? How do you test? How long do you quarantine for? For those reasons alone I think it isn't practicable.

It's one thing to vaccinate/require proof of vaccination for a known disease like yellow fever. But for completely new viruses.... :puzzled:

Oh I agree, it’s going to be a logistical nightmare.

Do we have those traveling from areas with a track record of being the epicentre of a viral outbreak on a 14 days quarantine routinely?

I was just mussing about it...

ASLEFshrugged

How do I shop once a week when I don't own a car?

I'm not alone, a TfL report a few years ago found that 46% of households in Greater London do not have access to a motor vehicle with the likelihood of car ownership rising with earnings and the further out from the centre you go (Richmond on Thames 83%, Hackney 35%).

Tescos Leyton a milk free zone this morning.

And no swede. The bottom shelf of my freezer is full of haggis (what is the plural?), Tescos reduced them to 60p a pop after Burns Night, I was on leave and had been down the pub for several hours. I've eaten one but that leaves seven to go you can't have haggis, neeps and tatties without the neeps.

I bought ten in total, gave one to the bar staff and one to a complete stranger who said she liked haggis.

Sometimes guys try to impress women by buying them drinks

Not me :biggrin:

OutcastLondoner

Don't think it's people shopping without cars who are doing the panic buying Aslef. It's the people stuffing their cars and sometimes doing it several times a week. I think the rumour about London closing down didn't help either - though I do actually think it was a real discussion that they've eventually decided against. For a while there was fresh stuff but no tinned foods. Fresh milk but no longline or powdered milk. That was hoarding behaviour but I guess not unexpected.

OldCastleSwift

It's a real tough one. Particularly if you have young children. We've had to make sure we've got enough food that our 16-month old will actually eat, in case we can't get it in the future. I've also got my dad to consider; he's recovering from bowel cancer and has a stoma, so can only eat certain foods. I feel a bit guilty about it in the circumstances, but panic buying has made us worry that they both won't get what they need.

Luckily we've got a WhatsApp group with our families so we share what we need and pick up anything that the others are short on.

It's just has bad for our boy's childminder; she has three kids and fosters another two. She does her weekly shop and is now being glared at for stockpiling.

MrsGrey

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chicagohammer

Is there a chance you could moderate our supreme leader

SuzanneClaret

Oh if only........

ASLEFshrugged

This is shocking

When you work as a paramedic for the NHS and you get evicted over a text by your land lady. Because of this I now won't be able to work my 12hr night shift tomorrow, so that means one less paramedic on the road. At these unprecedented times we need our NHS demand more than ever. pic.twitter.com/gfxbIykElq

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MrsGrey

Greece now has a curfew, added to its other measures. Just announced, as from 6am tomorrow.

Latest - from 6am tomorrow, anyone out and about will be subject to police checks. You need to have your ID with you, and will be fined unless you are (and can prove)
-going to/from work (employers letter needed as proof)
-going to doctor
-going to shops (only supermarkets, bakeries and chemists are open)
-going to provide care for someone in need
-exercising by running or walking (and you must be alone or with max 1 other person) or walking your dog

Police to police it, and issue fines.

They are terrified that we will follow the curve that Italy is on.

OutcastLondoner

How do you prove you're going to the shops?

MrsGrey

Show them your shopping list? :puzzled:

MrsGrey

I suppose the police person could go with you and watch you buy your groceries, and escort you home?

I don't know really.

Here (where I live) we have a small population so it's not really a problem, I don't think. The measures have been introduced because in the more populous areas, folks were ignoring the requests to stop any non-essential travel, and were going to the beach, and having picnics in the park, etc.

I imagine it will be those kinds of (obviously leisure) activities they'll be clamping down on. The new ruling just gives them the powers to do so. And the threat of fines to discourage the selfish people.

chicagohammer

I am listening to our supreme leader as we speak, there are no polite words for how I feel, I think I need to listen in as I want to know what is going on, but his inability to speak without the rambling duplicated phrases is mind blowing.

mike

I think the greece authorities are doing the right thing at the right time.
It's time our government said you WILL instead of saying we advise
Keep well. MrsGrey :hug:(Virtual!)

BubblesNeverDies

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https://twitter.com/i/status/1241663295028854784

IronHerb

Sainsburys online is now off line. :hmm:

MIAHammer

Spring break is basically over in Florida now that the governor has shut down the beaches. All those idiots defying social distancing and still partying on the beaches will now go home and infect their friends and families :doh:

OutcastLondoner

Wonder what Aslef's opinion is on the tube reductions. The trains are crowded but how much of that is due to people unnecessarily going out and how much due to the reductions? It's quite a drastic slow-down on some lines and seems by breaking the lines into segments, they're creating bottlenecks in areas like Leytonstone.

MIAHammer

OutcastLondoner said:

Wonder what Aslef's opinion is on the tube reductions. The trains are crowded but how much of that is due to people unnecessarily going out and how much due to the reductions? It's quite a drastic slow-down on some lines and seems by breaking the lines into segments, they're creating bottlenecks in areas like Leytonstone.

Have they closed down non-essential businesses in London or are people still having to go into work?

OutcastLondoner

MI - I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure no one's forced to close apart from restaurants, bars and gyms because they caused people to gather socially. As far as I'm aware, anyone else is allowed to continue so a lot of people will still be working. This is all still advice from the government.

I think there's a lot of office-based and admin work that's still going on, which is ridiculous. My newspaper only has a skeleton team in the office to produce the print version (and they're considered key workers). They've sent home around 800 journalists and the entirety of rest of the operation (commercial etc) but much smaller organisations far fewer logistical challenges continue to force people to work.

ASLEFshrugged

Last week we were running a normal timetable but having to cancel trains because drivers were either calling in sick or self isolating. Today we're running an emergency timetable, a core Hainault - Ealing Broadway service with Epping trains running from Leytonstone and West Ruislip trains from North Acton.

There are a lot of non-essential journeys, Westfield and the West End shops are still open for business while I'm told that building work is still going on. On Friday a couple of guys got off my train at Leytonstone with golf clubs, I didn't see them get on but guess they'd come from Fairlop Waters.

There aren't enough staff to check everyone who comes onto the Tube and Oyster Cards don't indicate who is making an essential journey and who isn't.

I'll keep working until either they close the Tube or I start feeling ill.

Back to work...

IronHerb

Boris is going to address the nation at 8.30pm so all is well :yercoat:

IronHerb

MIA, not too sure but I think they will tomorrow if Boris says what most expect him to say shortly.
McDonalds, Costa and Nandos have already announced they are closing for take outs and Greggs has just announced the same. The financial institutions have dispersed their staff already. John Lewis has closed it's stores and so on. Thing is there are more 'vital' workers than you think. Emergency services, medics, pharmacists, utilities, delivery drivers, transport and on and on.

There are also a lot of idiots, no doubt, but their time is coming to an end.

Yeoldhammer

So my flatmate is a Lab tester for food coming into the country. Do you reckon he gets listed as an essential Key Worker. :hmm:

IronHerb

I would guess anything to do with the food chain is key.

MrsGrey

I thought they'd listed the key workers already.

MrsGrey

I checked. They have.

Food and other necessary goods : This includes those involved in food production, processing, distribution, sale and delivery, as well as those essential to the provision of other key goods (for example hygienic and veterinary medicines).
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-maintaining-educational-provision/guidance-for-schools-colleges-and-local-authorities-on-maintaining-educational-provision

Pearces_Left_Foot

Well new measures you are only allowed to go out for food and medicine.