Pellegrini Confirmed as West Ham Manager (22.05.18) - already (September) there are doubters

Yeoldhammer

Sounds like he has being given assurances for a few players then which is nice !

Hopefully he can identify a few gems and plug that defence.

Cuz1

I agree in some respects but don’t get the theory with Rafa you guaranteed top ten, and don’t believe you win what he’s won with a relaxed training and not being firm I’m excited by this and can’t wait to see his addictions to the squad

MrsGrey

My mentality is always to have a winning mentality and I will hope that I can repeat here what I did with all my clubs here in Europe, where I have always arrived in European competition.
Read more at http://www.whufc.com/news/articles/2018/may/22-may/pellegrini-i-am-excited-about-west-ham-project#hGbhhdZTb7UWes2f.99

He's been given a 3-year contract, so reading into this comment, and what I expect is that over that time he will get us regularly challenging for European places (even if we don't manage it in each of the 3 years).


Also, we're officially a 'project' now. Is that a good thing, Ted?

MrsGrey

I'm hoping (and expecting) that he can add value to the current squad by being a better coach and tactician than our 2 former managers. (Otherwise, what's the point.)

I'm hoping (but not expecting) that he can also add value to our transfer budget by being a bit of an added attraction for players who might not have considered coming to West Ham - or not within our budget anyway - and perhaps get one (or two even) over the line for us.

No more ;jarvis

Lukerz

I don't think you should expect him to achieve better with no financial backing & the same squad. I don't think that determines him as a good manager. Part of a managers remit is to not just coach & get the best out of players but also to identify & sign players who add value. We have bought horrendously over the past two years, bar Arnautovic.

Bringing in good players that make us stronger is all part of the experience & value he brings. Obviously I would expect him to get better performances out of players who didn't reach their best last season (Lanzini, Hernandez, Cresswell, Kouyate).

But, equally, he may just decide those players aren't good enough & want to upgrade them with signings. Whichever way he goes, both are reasons why we have traded Moyes in for him.

MrsGrey

Luke, that's kind of what I meant.... I do expect us to sign new players. But I also want him to get the existing players playing better. Whether that's by tweaking the formation slightly, converting someone to a new position, creating a new partnership, whatever. (I don't know, or else it would be ME getting paid the big bucks ;biggrin )


(Obviously, it won't be possible to compare like for like, because 'his' team won't be the same as the 'old' team. ;ok )

alderz

Lukerz said:

The PL is no longer a 4-4-2/4-2-2-2 league unless you are one of the top sides, & even they all play a variation on 4-3-3.

Burnley played a 4-4-2 successfully last season, and Leicester won the league playing 4-4-2, so I don't think it's a formation you can't play.

When we looked at the stats the other week (can't remember which thread) it was pretty apparent that we have been poor defensively for a while, but that when we attack we are able to compensate that. Whilst I would like us to have a better defence, it may well be that Pellegrini adopts the 'attack is the best form' approach, which has actually been the case for us for a while now.

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years

Dont Bournemouth also play 442

grey_til_I_dye

bbb

Are we already lining our ducks up in a row if there isnt the transfer budget we need and expect from the board. That the coach wont have been good enough to achieve his objectives with our current squad ??

Since no one said that, the answer would be 'No'.

Lukerz

I don't think you should expect him to achieve better with no financial backing & the same squad.

Why not? Isn't he a better coach?

I'm assuming he will get money for players, but my point is that if he isn't better than what we have had, what was the point in appointing him?

And if he is better than previous managers, he should be able to do better with the same players.

If people are saying that if we had had Pellegrini last season we still would have done no better, then I don't see what he brings to the club that is different.

whupathman

I am finally genuinely excited by this appointment

Yeoldhammer

4-4-2 comes in an out of fashion all the time.

MrsGrey

alderz said:

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When we looked at the stats the other week (can't remember which thread) it was pretty apparent that we have been poor defensively for a while, but that when we attack we are able to compensate that.

pg 46 of the old 'new manager' thread.


(I'm going to keep these charts, for later comparison!! )

Ace of Clubs

“I think West Ham has a very good team. I know all of the players and I saw most of the games that they played last season" Now if that's what he truly believes then I'm already worried.

Yeoldhammer

He watched most of West Hams games last season ;hmm so he likes self harming

Lukerz

Reality is he is right.

Adrian, Collins (although now released), Ogbonna, Reid, Antonio, Kouyate, Obiang, Noble, Cresswell, Lanzini & Carroll were all good enough to contribute in the side that finished two wins off Champions League football two years ago. That could basically be a full XI in a 3-5-1-1.

Whilst a lot of that success came down to Payet, they all contributed with fantastic performances. They have all aged a couple of years but, other than Collins (who has officially left anyway), are all still in & around their prime ages.

Keeping players fit, getting the best out of them & finding a few additions to compliment & address some weaknesses will be his remit & hopefully he can unearth a few gems.

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

IronHerb said:

What is that shirt he's holding? ;hmm

Probably Aston Villas knowing our PR

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

Fantastic appointment, really pleased with this and already feels like a massive move in the right direction, well done to the board and especially Sully

;clap

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

I think he will get a sizeable budget, probably not because the Dave’s have now decided to release funds but more to do with the fact we actually have some funds

I think a couple of things will happen, be will be given about 40-60m to spend depending on some sales, plus you’ll also see an upturn in a few of our players that didn’t do as well as they probably could’ve done last couple of seasons, whether that is the new manager thing and/or his coaching remains to be seen, but it could have us scratching our head as to why they played so poorly at times.

MIAHammer

Yeoldhammer said:

He watched most of West Hams games last season ;hmm so he likes self harming

Call me cynical but I wonder how many of those were watched in the 48 hours before meeting Sully? Just so that he could name a few players. :hmmm

Adam

At least he wasn’t unveiled at some run down stadium, like how Evra was unveiled.

MrsGrey

MIA, I don't mind when he watched them. I'm just glad he has (if true). How else is he going to evaluate a squad that doesn't return for pre-season until about 3 weeks before the transfer window closes (and in some cases even later, if they were involved in the World Cup).

IronHerb

Managers watch football 24/7 and what else was going to do in China after doing the 'culture' in the first week ;hmm

Deanscaleshammer

For me a good benchmark in the first year would be to have a season with no relegation worries. That would represent a realistic improvement. I hope he can deliver that.

MrsGrey

Just a reminder:

We have a separate thread for player signing rumours. I've moved some comments over to that discussion ;ok

OldCastleSwift

Cuz1 said:

Reports in the star saying 60 million budget and one of his first signings Charles aranguiz from Bayer Leverkusen 29 tigerish midfield player who can be both defensive and attacking with a good engine

According to the FIFA website, he's:

"a crafty, tigerish midfielder of the highest order, notable for his ability to win and distribute the ball, pick out passes and hit the back of the net".

Sounds perfect.

On Pellegrini, I think Sully has to be given a great deal of credit. I often to knock him (and heaven knows he makes it easy to do so sometimes), but hats off to him on this appointment. Moyes would have been the safe (and cheaper) choice, but he's gone with Pellegrini and shown a bit of that ambition that he's regularly promoted.

Yeoldhammer

billybondsbeard said:

He's got one of those 'been on a bender the night before' faces hasn't he...? ;biggrin

Reckon if you put him and Bilic in the same Pub the bouncers would be questioning them within the first 5 minutes.

imagelost

SuzanneClaret said:

Ooooo, next seasons home shirt? ;hmm

Nooo,ah it’s just inside out ;lol

chicagohammer

I am really pleased with this appointment, it was completed fairly quickly and with little drama, well done to all.

I have to believe that he is capable of getting a little bit more out of our current players and will also be a draw in attracting a couple of decent new faces, faces who may not have wished to join us before but may be willing to take gamble on us now.

As always the proof is in the pudding, DM was far from a disaster for us and I wish him well but I think that most (excluding of course DM himself) would consider the appointment of Pellegrini a step up.

There have been occasions when I have dreaded an upcoming season but this time, I think that I will have a little spring in my step.

COYI

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years

Only seen aranguiz for chile but he was very impressive

Thought he was on a long cintract deal though

Would be a good move if it seems a little lazy journalism (chile player and Pellegrini)

Vorselaarhammer

Getting it done early is a massive plus.

They knew who they wanted paid him the money and signed him...

Wow easy isn't it...