Summer 2018 - The Rebuild and The Recovery

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  • AdamAdam
    Carlton Cole would be a good replacement for Hugill if we need one. Pretty sure he hasn’t retired yet...
  • Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_MoyesJorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes
    I think the entire football world retired him on his behalf.
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    edited May 2018
    We spent gross £40m on 2 players last summer. (£48m for the year.)

    Just shy of £60m 16-17 (both windows.)

    Just shy of £50m 15-16

    Just over £40m 14-15

    I don't think £30m gross spend is anywhere near our limit, if the club thinks the players are worth it.
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes said:

    I think the entire football world retired him on his behalf.

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    Any excuse
  • WHU_Champo_league_in_7_yearsWHU_Champo_league_in_7_years
    For the summer, i'd assume our gross spend would be around £50mil

    Nowadays that gets you 2/3 players..........Swansea wanted £50mil for Mawson in the summer

    Can't imagine too many of our players will be sold for good money given how short we are already

    What we need

    GK (or 2)
    RB
    CM (or 2)
    CB
    Winger

    5 players, so looking at £10mil per player which these days isn't gonna get you much

    Which why I'm in such favour of fredericks on a free and Shaqiri
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    Champo ;ok

    £12m for the pair. Great deal that, IMO.

    Pretty sure Hernandez is on his way out so he'll cover that cost with some money to spare, so £50m left to spend on a dynamic CM, a DM and a striker to replace the Pea as a minimum.

    Easy, this chairman lark.
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    grey_til_I_dye said:

    Suze

    OK, but postage is extra. ;wink

    Oh, the deal is off then ;whome
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    Nice one Grey.

    Our biggest investor has just pulled out.

    #greyout

    ;wink
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    Adam said:

    Carlton Cole would be a good replacement for Hugill if we need one. Pretty sure he hasn’t retired yet...

    Retired.
    https://www.whufc.com/news/articles/2018/march/29-march/carlton-cole-calls-west-ham-fans-get-behind-team-he-hangs-his
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    Yeoldhammer said:

    Going by the PL Fantasy football on Total points

    the 4 best defenders outside the top 6. (currently)

    Maguire / Hegazi / Mawson / Cresswell

    the 4 best midfielders

    Mahrez / GroB / Shaqiri / Milivojevic

    the 2 best strikers

    Vardy / Rooney

    I'm assuming you aren't really serious.
  • Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_MoyesJorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes
    The defenders are on there because they score goals or, in Cresswell's case, assist goals. I can categorically say Cresswell is not one of the best defenders outside the top 6...
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited May 2018
    Mahrez and Milivojevic - on pens.

    Plus, the (top secret) bonus points algorithm will have a big part to play.

    Hopefully our revamped scouting system will have a more sophisticated approach to identifying a assessing targets .... ;pray
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    Our revamped scouting system will be Sully buying Jack FM2018
  • Pearces_Left_FootPearces_Left_Foot
    OCS he will probably get FM2016 its a cheaper and a real bargain lol
  • alderzalderz
    If we want to go by FM2018, then I have a suggestion for a dynamic CM:

    Jeando Fuchs, who plays for FC Sochaux-Montbéliard. He's 20, played for the France youth squads, has a contract that expires next summer, and has been brilliant for me on football manager ;bowdown They are Ligue 2, but recent imports from that division have done rather well in England.
  • PrestonHammerPrestonHammer
    But Alderz, is that because he's a good player or is it because you're a good manager?
  • alderzalderz
    PrestonHammer said:

    But Alderz, is that because he's a good player or is it because you're a good manager?

    Clearly I am a big factor. But he has been impressive regardless.
  • AdamAdam
    MrsGrey said:

    Adam said:

    Carlton Cole would be a good replacement for Hugill if we need one. Pretty sure he hasn’t retired yet...

    Retired.
    https://www.whufc.com/news/articles/2018/march/29-march/carlton-cole-calls-west-ham-fans-get-behind-team-he-hangs-his
    The more you know
  • VorselaarhammerVorselaarhammer
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  • Slaven_Cups_His_BeardSlaven_Cups_His_Beard
    edited May 2018
    Lanzini - going - LFC

    IMO
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    You know we are lining up has been yaya toure....
  • LukerzLukerz
    edited May 2018
    Slaven_Cups_His_Beard said:

    Lanzini - going - LFC

    IMO

    Tbh, after the last two years, I wouldn’t be overly bothered, especially this season.

    I think if we were to sell him for £30m+, reinvest that money and make Arnie our new star man and No.10, it would be good business for us.
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    Yeoldhammer said:

    You know we are lining up has been yaya toure....

    I heard he was going to Everton
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    Lukerz said:

    Slaven_Cups_His_Beard said:

    Lanzini - going - LFC

    IMO

    Tbh, after the last two years, I wouldn’t be overly bothered, especially this season.

    I think if we were to sell him for £30m+, reinvest that money and make Arnie our new star man and No.10, it would be good business for us.
    But they will not reinvest it ..... we would be throwing a player away that actually fits the right bracket of age that we need to get players in for. Most of our squad is hitting 30 and over. !
  • VorselaarhammerVorselaarhammer
    Scoring hasn't been the problem this season with or without Lanzini.

    I like him and would want him to stay but if we use the money to bring in a couple of proper DM then I would be ok.

    Our MF exposes our defence time and again.
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    edited May 2018
    Yeoldhammer said:

    But they will not reinvest it ..... we would be throwing a player away that actually fits the right bracket of age that we need to get players in for. Most of our squad is hitting 30 and over. !

    You're not wrong. Collins, if he stays, will be 35 in August while Zabaletta will be 34 and Adrian will be 32 in January. Noble celebrated his 31st birthday on Tuesday

    Oggy will be 30 in 12 days, Hernandez and Reid will both turn 30 over the summer

    Carroll and Arnie will be 30 before the end of next season

    Creswell, Kouyate and Antonio will be 29 before the end of next season

    Not that 30 is old for footballers these days, they're a lot fitter than they used to be
  • Pearces_Left_FootPearces_Left_Foot
    Linked with Aaron Mooy /Miguel Layun / Badou Ndiaye in today's gossip
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    ASLEFshrugged said:

    Yeoldhammer said:

    But they will not reinvest it ..... we would be throwing a player away that actually fits the right bracket of age that we need to get players in for. Most of our squad is hitting 30 and over. !

    You're not wrong. Collins, if he stays, will be 35 in August while Zabaletta will be 34 and Adrian will be 32 in January. Noble celebrated his 31st birthday on Tuesday

    Oggy will be 30 in 12 days, Hernandez and Reid will both turn 30 over the summer

    Carroll and Arnie will be 30 before the end of next season

    Creswell, Kouyate and Antonio will be 29 before the end of next season

    Not that 30 is old for footballers these days, they're a lot fitter than they used to be
    But for a team that wants to be challenging for the top honours and competing at the highest level, how can you long term plan if the majority of your first team squad is late 30 and over, you will be forever be playing catchup to replace them. You're not going to be able to move forwards if all you are doing is playing catchup.
  • WHU_Champo_league_in_7_yearsWHU_Champo_league_in_7_years
    edited May 2018
    Is a bit worrying, but its a job that'll take a few years as weve seen what happens when you go for quantiity over quality (summer 16)

    Shaqiri - 26
    Traore -22
    Fredericks - 25
    Dendocker - 23
    Cairney - 27

    Players weve been linked with,all pretty good age profiles of either being at their prime (cairney/shaqiri) or coming into it
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    edited May 2018
    how can you long term plan if the majority of your first team squad is late 30 and over
    That's a purely rhetorical question, since our squad is nowhere near that.

    R Player Mins Apps
    1 Pablo Zabaleta 33 --- 3201 --- 36
    2 Aaron Cresswell 28 --- 2985 --- 34(1)
    3 Angelo Ogbonna 29 --- 2790 --- 31
    4 Cheikhou Kouyaté 28 --- 2713 --- 31(1)
    5 Mark Noble 31 --- 2315 --- 27(1)
    6 Marko Arnautovic 29 --- 2233 --- 27(3)
    7 Manuel Lanzini 25 --- 1963 --- 22(4)
    8 Arthur Masuaku 24 --- 1852 --- 20(6)
    9 Joe Hart 31 --- 1710 --- 19
    10 Adrián 31 --- 1620 --- 18
    11 Pedro Obiang 26 --- 1561 --- 18(2)
    12 Chicharito 29 --- 1544 --- 16(12)
    13 Winston Reid 29 --- 1454 --- 17
    14 Michail Antonio 28 --- 1358 --- 16(5)
    15 Declan Rice 19 --- 1334 --- 14(11)
    16 James Collins 34 --- 1048 --- 12
    17 João Mário 25 --- 937 --- 11(1)
    18 André Ayew 28 --- 892 --- 9(9)
    19 Edimilson Fernandes 22 --- 777 --- 9(4)
    20 Andy Carroll 29 --- 748 --- 7(9)
    21 José Fonte 34 --- 690 --- 8
    22 Diafra Sakho 28 --- 296 --- 0(14)
    23 Sam Byram 24 --- 247 --- 2(3)
    24 Patrice Evra 36 --- 229 --- 3(2)
    25 Jordan Hugill 25 --- 22 --- 0(3)
    26 Josh Cullen 22 --- 6 --- 0(2)
    27 Reece Oxford 19 --- 4 --- 0(1)


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