Board/Fan Relationship

Adam

Be careful what you wish for, is a saying I've heard once or twice before.

Not even sure I want to go to the Leicester game. I find it embarrassing. Some clubs certainly wouldn't mind our chairmen over theirs.

We have a new manager, chance for a restart on our season, and we carry on booing. Players love that *rolls eyes*.

I'm not really interested in getting into a long discussion on this topic but I just wanted to give my opinion.

Lukerz

Problem is if they listen and sack themselves, we go bust.

They can’t leave without a buyer. If they do all the money goes.

jay_in_cpt

claretandbluesky said:

Although I felt immediately that the appointment of Moyes was a huge gamble for the board as they were going against the massive majority of peoples view in favour of their own, something which meant they would be responsible more than if perhaps going for someone who was hoped for or wanted, however I still feel it is ludicrous to judge that gamble after one match, Surely Moyes needs a fair crack and in turn the board opportunity to have their judgement fairly measured over a decent amount of time.

I think the above is the main reason, forget lots of the past, stadium move, failed transfers etc etc, they choose to employ a manger that was probably one of the most unpopular choices among fans, while they pay the bills, I thought that they once heard the outcry when Moyes was being touted they might have thought twice..
I certainly was among these who did not want him, but will support him while here..
But yes, I reckon the appointment of Moyes was the final straw for many fans to accept.
I hope it all works out and we survive the drop, it's then up to the 2 D's to make a choice.

thornburyiron

Trouble is Sam was right in that a lot of West Ham fans are deluded. When Bilic went they expected a well renowned manager in the ilk of Guardiola or whatever to jump at the chance. Thing is there are few top managers who'd want to jeopardise their reputation by joining us.
I think Moyes probably was the best available to us and he needs to be given a chance. He got slagged off for some of the things he said yesterday but they were only exactly what we've been saying. His saying them publicly may just make the team sit up and take notice because all these little chats behind locked doors are having no effect at all. They all say they've discussed things and need to do this and that but still don't do them.

grey_til_I_dye

TwistandShout_I_love_Allardyce said:

Great to see the fans turning on the board... It has been coming. Probably the first time it has been so vocal at a game.
They were there too, so I'm glad they could hear it loud and clear. They've ruined this club

The fans turning on the board?

I must have missed that memo, as I didn't, and I haven't.

Did you mean some of the fans?

Or did you mean real fans?

grey_til_I_dye

I don't remember anyone suggesting they had ruined the club during the last season at the Boleyn.

MrsGrey

The haters were just biding their time. Then when things aren't going well, up they pop.


Safety in numbers.

Cuz1

I can’t hate them it’s such a strong word, I applaud them for saving the club, but not happy with the running of it at the moment by all three to be honest and at West Ham us fans should get behind the team get out the mess we are in

horshamhammer

MrsGrey said:

The haters were just biding their time. Then when things aren't going well, up they pop.


Safety in numbers.

Simply not true. There was plenty of disquiet at that time from imo, a significant number of our support.

I would suggest the reason that protests became more vociferous was due to all the lies we were told about the stadium and the shambolic way the migration was conducted.

MrsGrey

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/nov/20/west-ham-fans-stop-calling-999

Idiots.

jay_in_cpt

I personally have no problem with our owners, they don't have the wealth of other owners, and as fans themselves I have no doubt of their wishes for the club, like all fans..
It's still my opinion that Moyes being appointed gave the supporters who do/did have a issue with our owners to just blow their fuse...

Cuz1

MrsGrey said:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/nov/20/west-ham-fans-stop-calling-999

Idiots.

Your not wrong MrsGrey they be better off with the lord almightys number lol

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years

I respect the owners for how they pulled us out of the dirt and have generally done a good job...but i don't particularly like them or think they are the long term solution

I think they are too involved and have made the club look like a circus because of unnecessary comments that they self inflict

Do I want new owners, yes
Does it sound like any parties want to buy the club off them, no

The club will not go any further under Gold and sullivan as they lack the ambition to do so but it's hard to find someone to break into the next level. The club needs to be sold to someone who has the finances that are superior you Gold and Sully which quote frankly atm looks very unlikely

I was also 100% opposed to leaving UP and nothing would change my mind

While I don't think they have "sold the clubs soul"...because let's be honest they are actually west ham fans...but it is a (unpopuksr) risk that hasn't paid off at least short term and if we do go down (long way to go still) then it could end the club as the OS will be awful in the championship

I think the fans are well in their right to protest if they feel cheated and lied to (although the 999 thing is ridiculous) and before you critisize them for being fake fans the ones who proposed are away fans who generally are consistent week in week out and put in more miles than any west ham fan in the country

SuzanneClaret

horshamhammer said:

MrsGrey said:

The haters were just biding their time. Then when things aren't going well, up they pop.


Safety in numbers.

Simply not true. There was plenty of disquiet at that time from imo, a significant number of our support.

I would suggest the reason that protests became more vociferous was due to all the lies we were told about the stadium and the shambolic way the migration was conducted.

This is a matter of opinion not a matter of fact though.

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

When you’ve told as many half truths and plenty of spin like they have what do they expect.....

While I understand that you can’t just say “we’re going to tread water for a while” and try and sell 54k tickets every home game, when you start spouting about next level and 20 goal a season strikers, but then deliver decreasing net spend for three years, what do you expect? Add to that Mr Gold walking round UP pitch and telling everyone in an interview that if the distance is more than this much we won’t move or if he can see the running track it won’t happen, then what exactly do they expect?

Selling out to +2’s because you’re absolutely petrified you’ll lose face if you’ve moved to this 57k stadium and it looks way to big for you, all the while allowing plenty of non-hammers to grab those tickets, then what exactly do you expect?

The latest from outside Sully residence

grey_til_I_dye

I think it's pathetic, tbh, but it's their time they are wasting.

What does grind my gears is that it is irrelevant whether it is two men and a three-legged dog, or a sizeable chunk of the fan base, the meejah report the dissenting voices the same, and assume in their coverage that they speak for all of us.

claretandbluesky

It just seems about 4 months too early for me, I can't understand it.

I don't think it would be happening had Benitez been named manager which means the grievances about stadium etc would not have provoked this, so if it is Moyes appointment (which I can certainly understand ) then it is simply not long enough to be pronounced a failure of management after one match. If in four months we are standing in the bottom three looking more and more cut off then I think they should be held accountable for such a risky decision, it would be fair to find a collective voice to express an opinion, but by Christmas we could be 14th and looking upwards.

I know I know, someone call a Doctor........

MrsGrey

imo

It is rooted in a sense of entitlement and an 'it's all about me' attitude.

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

That maybe so, but when you’ve been lied to over and over, for all the good work they have done (and there has been plenty) then some people are going to snap

Oh and for the record (unconfirmed) the people that hung that flag have been banned for 3 years from home/away ST’s, anyone think that’s “fair”

On top of WHU stewards at Watford pulling down fans flags on Sunday

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

thornburyiron said:

Trouble is Sam was right in that a lot of West Ham fans are deluded. When Bilic went they expected a well renowned manager in the ilk of Guardiola or whatever to jump at the chance. Thing is there are few top managers who'd want to jeopardise their reputation by joining us.
I think Moyes probably was the best available to us and he needs to be given a chance. He got slagged off for some of the things he said yesterday but they were only exactly what we've been saying. His saying them publicly may just make the team sit up and take notice because all these little chats behind locked doors are having no effect at all. They all say they've discussed things and need to do this and that but still don't do them.

Always thought that SA Was bang on the money with plenty he said, what’s funny is that Moyes only just stopped short of naming names about who he felt came up short against Watford, when SA did that it was to deflect blame from his own failings ;biggrin

claretandbluesky

If true it's clearly unfair in my view, and they need be careful as if they are perceived to be preventing fans sharing their view they will be on sticky ground.

If they are banning flags on account of disrupting peoples view and banning those people for three years that's one thing (clearly overkill) but if they are happy with a flags but not ones that criticise themselves then they will deserve all they get.

They could become the new Mike Ashley if not careful.

IronHerb

SCHB.

They put the banner up and were asked to take it down. One chap took umbrage and wanted to confront the steward who was following instruction from Watford FC. They were West Ham stewards and it is quite the norm that our stewards and the Met Police attend away games all over the country. A suited man, who I assumed to be a Watford FC official, then tried to tell the guy it had to come down. They got their photo op but that wasn't enough and a couple were escorted out.

The abusive chanting came from, I estimate, around 50-60% of the travelling fans who also aimed their vitriol towards AC. There was skirmishing amongst our own fans, which comes in times of frustration, which showed to me that there were mixed feelings amongst us. These are going to be trying times.

COYI

MrsGrey

If a club (Watford) has a policy on displaying banners within their stadium, then I see nothing wrong with applying it. For home or away fans.

And if a club has a policy of dealing with its away fans who cause bother at another ground, I see nothing wrong with applying it.

claretandbluesky

It all depends on one issue for me was it because it was a flag or because it was a flag critical of the board.

IronHerb

thornburyiron said:

Trouble is Sam was right in that a lot of West Ham fans are deluded. When Bilic went they expected a well renowned manager in the ilk of Guardiola or whatever to jump at the chance. Thing is there are few top managers who'd want to jeopardise their reputation by joining us.
I think Moyes probably was the best available to us and he needs to be given a chance. He got slagged off for some of the things he said yesterday but they were only exactly what we've been saying. His saying them publicly may just make the team sit up and take notice because all these little chats behind locked doors are having no effect at all. They all say they've discussed things and need to do this and that but still don't do them.

Sorry Thorn but most fans are deluded but I know how you like to bash the team you support. No one expected Guardiola or a 'top' manager so once again you exaggerate. You never have anything positive to say and on the odd that we win you are conspicuous by your absence. This is not personal, and you are not alone in this, but you are the most prolific and I do not see this as support.

MrsGrey

claretandbluesky said:

It all depends on one issue for me was it because it was a flag or because it was a flag critical of the board.

Well, can you find out the Watford policy and enlighten us? ;biggrin

And in terms of the sanction applied by West Ham, we'd have to look at other recent bannings/sanctions and compare them.

grey_til_I_dye

C&b

If it was a Watford decision, it's irrelevant.

MrsGrey

grey, I think C&B is referring to WH's decision to suspend their STs for a set period. (Assuming that it was up to WH and not some kind of centrally-agreed set of punishment tarrifs for various infringements.)

claretandbluesky

Can't enlighten on the Watford policy I am afraid, but yes I think the question is do we have a policy of dealing with flags with regard suspensions etc and does it change according to the flags content?

I feel sure the policy will all become clear as I would predict quite a few at the Leicester game.

IronHerb

I doubt that c&b. I'm now expecting an even more rigorous security check than the one we already have to endure were you need to take keys and loose change out of your pockets a la Heathrow.
They will be on their guard.