World Cup KO: En-ger-land, En-ger-land, En-ger-land (was 'Group G')

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  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    Someone has started an online petition to give Gareth Southgate a knighthood. While I think he's done far better than anyone expected him to compared to the other football players and managers who've received knighthoods I don't think Southgate has done enough.

    1965 Stanley Matthews
    1967 Alf Ramsey
    1968 Matt Busby
    1978 Walter Winterbottom
    1994 Bobby Charlton
    1998 Tom Finney
    1998 Geoff Hurst
    1999 Alex Ferguson
    2002 Bobby Robson
    2004 Trevor Brooking
    2018 Kenny Dalglish

    Bobby Robson got a CBE after getting England to the 1990 WC semi final, that would do for Southgate but not a knighthood.
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    It would be criminal for anyone to be honoured in this way for beating Columbia and Sweden.

    If honours are to be given, save them, say, for the divers who risked their lives to save the Thai boys
  • Cuz1Cuz1
    Wow a knighthood for beating Sweden panama and Tunisia and losing to Belgium and Croatia a good tournament but not a knighthood earning one imo
  • Expat_HammerExpat_Hammer
    A night in an Ibis hotel perhaps
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Suddenly England are rubbish. Excellent.
  • Cuz1Cuz1
    IronHerb said:

    Suddenly England are rubbish. Excellent.

    Not what I’m saying Ironherb if that post was meant for me just don’t feel it warrants a knighthood
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Not the knighthood Cuz, just the 'we only beat'.
  • Cuz1Cuz1
    Did you forget the we had a good tournament bit lol and to reiterate my opinion I thought we played better football than for a while and exceeded expectations but not knighthood material yet
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    No knighthood, no MBE, no cbe, no obe- simples
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    For me England have gone from being a Lower Tier-2 team to, a Top Tier-2 team. Not a Tier 1 team yet. But have potential if they keep growing. Certainly though the tournament has proved they are now back with the other Top Tier 2 teams competing.
  • mikemike
    Might as well give him a knighthood, everyone else has got one. ;wink
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    v interesting points made by Mrs G

    If, say Sam had come into this tournament and his main method of scoring goals/creating chances was corners/set pieces he would likely have received pelters because the natural instinct by many is to dislike him

    However, if Southgate does it, he is seen to have given the team “an identity” and everyone warms to him

    ;hmm
  • HammerwombatHammerwombat
    mike said:

    Might as well give him a knighthood, everyone else has got one. ;wink

    Bobby Moore never got one. And he achieved quite a lot.
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    Last year England was 10th in the ELO rankings (a lot more accurate than the FIFA ones), as of last night we are 7th. Not as good as Germany, Spain or Brazil but better than Portugal, Argentina and Italy.

    Croatia jumped from 16th to 5th

    http://www.eloratings.net/
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    I still wouldn't say England are a top 10 team, but I certainly would say now, we have moved into that 10th - 15th bracket comfortably. I think before the tournament we were probably around the 20th - 25th mark.
  • Pearces_Left_FootPearces_Left_Foot
    I hope we can emulate Germany, 2006 they has a very young team got to the semi final /2010 semi final again / 2014 champions
  • alderzalderz
    re: the Southgate vs Sam comments earlier

    Southgate hasn't only relied on set pieces, and the style of play is very different to what Sam would have almost certainly done. We wouldn't have seen the defenders play out confidently with Sam in charge, we wouldn't have had such a young side, we would have been far less likeable as a team, IMO.

    Southgate has had an easy ride from the press, but I think he's only had that because he has earned it.
  • OutcastLondonerOutcastLondoner
    Southgate was pretty roundly mocked as an appointment. He’s turned that around and earned himself space from the press.

    There’s a lot more there to praise than I think is being suggested, even if thete’s also a lot to address.

    Lingard put in a lot of work and helped make England look dynamic, even if he faded in parts of games.

    Sterling needs to work on his finishing but he absolutely terrorised Croatia early in the game and did similar against Sweden. He stretched the back line like no one else. Rashford doesn’t have the same impact because he seems to want to take players on himself rather than run off the ball.

    Alli was not as good as we’ve seen for Tottenham but he still provided the only midfield creativity - winning the free kick and several smart through balls in the game that other attackers didn’t make the most of.

    The whole defence were generally pretty good. Kane did his job for a while. England have some really good RWB options.

    Sort out that midfield and they have a lot to offer
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    I don’t think you can say with certainty what Sam would/would not have done with a longer reign. He was the one who gave Reece Burke a run of games at West Ham. And when he had us flying at the start of one of his seasons with us the football was v pleasing on the eye. Who knows what he would have done with a full complement of player me to choose from at national level. What I am certain of though is that the media would have been circling around him like vultures waiting for any small opportunity to swoop
  • BubblesNeverDiesBubblesNeverDies
    edited July 2018
    I wonder if the header from Perisic to Mandzukic to score their second would have been different if Trippier hadn't shoved Perisic in the back. The ball certainly would have taken a different trajectory and may well not have found Mandzukic. ;hmm
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    Wasn't his fault, Stones let Mandzukic run right by him. Momentary lapse of concentration on his part. Which was amusing considering he supposedly had cramp and needed lifting to hit feet from Alli and Co. lol
  • Cuz1Cuz1
    baracks_a_hammer said:

    I don’t think you can say with certainty what Sam would/would not have done with a longer reign. He was the one who gave Reece Burke a run of games at West Ham. And when he had us flying at the start of one of his seasons with us the football was v pleasing on the eye. Who knows what he would have done with a full complement of player me to choose from at national level. What I am certain of though is that the media would have been circling around him like vultures waiting for any small opportunity to swoop

    Games all about ifs if Carrol and Wilshire had been fit they’d have been on that plane
  • OutcastLondonerOutcastLondoner
    edited July 2018
    At the end of the day, I think the only real difference between the sides was Perisic. Yes, Croatia were stronger mentally and dominated but they weren’t doing all that much with it without him. He had the sharpness and drive to get ahead of walker for the goal, get that shot off that hit the post and nudge it to Mandzukic. Just a quality England didn’t have when they were on top
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    397E8D9E-6983-4AA1-9E1D-E64EAA5F1650
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    But we weren't talking about the women world cup. Different game.
  • ianbishoplegendianbishoplegend
    Need a plan B team, that doesn’t have Lingard and Alli in midfield. Dier for Henderson and Rashford for Sterling is not a upgrade.
  • Ace of ClubsAce of Clubs
    Prizes
  • Pearces_Left_FootPearces_Left_Foot
    The u20,s won the World Cup earlier in the year so it’s 0 really
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    IronHerb said:

    But we weren't talking about the women world cup. Different game.

    Different tournament maybe but a different game, no not all.

    Although having said that there is far less histrionics in the women’s game and very little rolling around like they’ve been hit by sniper fire.
  • BubblesNeverDiesBubblesNeverDies
    I thought it was very refreshing that there was no rolling around in the game, and virtually no diving either as far as I can remember.
    Suze, did you get a chance to correct the Argentinian girl on your course? ;biggrin
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