Didn't see the match today but the bench was weird. No Calleri or Fletcher. 3 defenders. Why? I hope we get big bucks for Carrol in the summer from China and go back to playing football, not headball.
Watched the game again and still can't see all the positives that Slav said he took from the game. After Ayew was caught in possession for the last goal he was still getting to his feet when the goal went in. He wasn't injured so why didn't he get straight to his feet and try to retrieve the situation. Bournemouth were all over us and deserved to win by more than one goal. They were always looking to do something whereas we were for the main part strolling around. For their second goal Obiang was asleep and let King get past him. That's two successive games we've conceded from a set piece and given possession away outside the opponents penalty area and just let them break awa so obviously didn't work on that during the week.
Teams know that if they put the effort in against us they'll get a reward. When B'mouth counterattacked there were 5 of them all sprinting, and if it didn't work out they sprinted back, whereas we seem to just stroll back. We just seem so disjointed. We definitely don't have a Plan B, or a Plan A come to that!! They need shaking up. so as a suggestion get Ginge back instead of Fonte, drop Noble (indefinitely), start Byram and tell him this is his last chance to prove he is a full back. Bilic has to take a lot of the blame for this with his team selection. ;angry
Still, England thrashed the sweaties which made the weekend a little more bearable. ;biggrin
Bournmouth - What I liked was that they looked as though Eddie Howe has a strategy with regard personnel, he wants pace as a start point and players who are comfortable with the ball at their feet and a good work ethic.
West Ham - we have not had a coherent personnel policy this summer in my view, or if we did it was one that was based around Europa and so redundant after August. We have also failed to fill the two massive gaps at right back and centre forward during January and the responsibility for that should fall somewhere. I feel perhaps Slav or Sully have got it badly wrong with regard personnel this year and it has made us disjointed virtually all season.
However I still think we have some really decent players who if we can sort out the problem of personnel by either Slav or Sully recognising their shortcomings this season and rectifying it we can still continue looking up. We need spend and we need send the message we have ambition to attract the quality we want, should we do so we are not far off getting back to our best of last season.
I feel Slav is our man and the core of the team good, so I am frustrated at present but can accept we are a work in progress this season, a season which has not gone as planned but we have survived (hopefully).
I thought they played really well and King's finishing was outstanding. He didn't have too many other chances. It highlighted the issues we have up front because we can't always rely on AC, who goes through these patches of not adding much as regularly as his bursts of brilliant form. It's not just about getting crosses into him when he often doesn't get anywhere near them and we end up losing possession.
I don't know if I can really expect anything from us because how handicapped we are by our lack of strikers and a RB. The decision to not fill those positions looks more ridiculous every week.
Time and time again we lost possession when we got over the half way line, and then it was like the charge of the light brigade where we was totally out numbered and what defenders we did have there looked like they were doing a rendition of the Hokey Kokey. Thank God Randy was at his best as it could have been much worse. We must tighten up at the back, as with Leicester next week, if we play like that again, Vardy and Co. will rip us apart with there speed on the break.
Sakho is a better striker than Carroll Carroll may be unplayable in the air but his all round game is lacking, he just doesn't react quick everything is in slow motion
Always thought Carroll is best when coming off the bench as he is a nightmare for tired defenders
Sakho has been missed all season, the work rate, movement, speed etc are so helpful for the team to move up the pitch
I've liked Feghouli improvement in 2017 but in terms of impact he is a bench player
What's worrying for me is the regression of 2 of our stars last year Noble and Cresswell. Noble takes the bulk of the abuse as he really has been exposed this season but Cresswell has been pretty woeful as well. Not sure if he's lost his pace or the injury haunts him but you never see him win 50/50s anymore and is always lost when he's up against a winger with pace
Masuaka didn't start great this season (but then who did this year) but maybe it's worth bringing him back in as Cresswell needs a bit of a kick imo
They wanted it more than us. We played the first half with one tactic only, borrowed from Sam's 1980 book "The Boot is on both Feet". But when Ayew came on, we had pace. When Lanzini moved central, we had some craft. Conclusion : we need to scrap the idea that Big Andy can win games on his own, and we need to start (and finish) as though it really mattered. OK, assertions over ;wink
We don't play players in correct positions. We don't have a regular striker. We make stupid mistakes . The players lack desire and passion.
Basically the same problems that apart from a few games every now and then have been issues for as long as I can remember at West Ham.
Nothing really ever seems to change whoever the manager is or who we buy. After any slight improvement we always go back to the same old West Ham. Sloppy passionless club. I want see our players showing passion and desire in every game that is the only way this club will improve.
Never been able to understand why things never change. It seems it is engrained in the culture of the club.
Ok. The overreaction on here has been borderline baffling. ;hmm
Overreaction? I'm not so sure. We lost to a team that hadn't won all year. And 3-2 flattered us, IMO. Before that we lost to a Chelsea team that didn't get out of second gear, and we couldn't put away either West Brom or Watford.
We have regressed from last season, and although we had a few dodgy performances, on the whole I went into almost every game thinking we could get something. This time round I expect defeat pretty much every weekend, and have done all season.
I was one of Bilic's biggest advocates, but some of his decisions leave a lot to be desired. The right back fiasco, for example. We have two at the club. He doesn't trust either of them. So why not get one in in January? He said he was happy with his options yet doesn't back that up with his actions. I knocked Allardyce for playing Matt Taylor there but at least that only lasted one game. Antonio, Nordtveit and Kouyate have all been deployed there and all have struggled. Why? Because they're not right backs. I mean, what exactly are we paying Arbeloa for?
Their first pen was a gift from Fegholi - I doubt they told him to do that in training. Yet he bombed up the other end and was instrumental in our first goal.
basically they spent their money on duds. Apparently we are the 7th richest club in the league now ? we overtook Everton and Newcastle recently. Yet we have a squad that struggles to get top 10.
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Bournemouth were all over us and deserved to win by more than one goal. They were always looking to do something whereas we were for the main part strolling around. For their second goal Obiang was asleep and let King get past him. That's two successive games we've conceded from a set piece and given possession away outside the opponents penalty area and just let them break awa so obviously didn't work on that during the week.
When B'mouth counterattacked there were 5 of them all sprinting, and if it didn't work out they sprinted back, whereas we seem to just stroll back. We just seem so disjointed.
We definitely don't have a Plan B, or a Plan A come to that!!
They need shaking up. so as a suggestion get Ginge back instead of Fonte, drop Noble (indefinitely), start Byram and tell him this is his last chance to prove he is a full back.
Bilic has to take a lot of the blame for this with his team selection. ;angry
Still, England thrashed the sweaties which made the weekend a little more bearable. ;biggrin
West Ham - we have not had a coherent personnel policy this summer in my view, or if we did it was one that was based around Europa and so redundant after August. We have also failed to fill the two massive gaps at right back and centre forward during January and the responsibility for that should fall somewhere. I feel perhaps Slav or Sully have got it badly wrong with regard personnel this year and it has made us disjointed virtually all season.
However I still think we have some really decent players who if we can sort out the problem of personnel by either Slav or Sully recognising their shortcomings this season and rectifying it we can still continue looking up. We need spend and we need send the message we have ambition to attract the quality we want, should we do so we are not far off getting back to our best of last season.
I feel Slav is our man and the core of the team good, so I am frustrated at present but can accept we are a work in progress this season, a season which has not gone as planned but we have survived (hopefully).
I don't know if I can really expect anything from us because how handicapped we are by our lack of strikers and a RB. The decision to not fill those positions looks more ridiculous every week.
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Bournemouth have only ever scored two hat-tricks in the Premier League.
Both have come against West Ham.
;yercoat
then it was like the charge of the light brigade where we was totally out numbered
and what defenders we did have there looked like they were doing a rendition of
the Hokey Kokey. Thank God Randy was at his best as it could have been much
worse.
We must tighten up at the back, as with Leicester next week, if we play like that
again, Vardy and Co. will rip us apart with there speed on the break.
Carroll may be unplayable in the air but his all round game is lacking, he just doesn't react quick everything is in slow motion
Always thought Carroll is best when coming off the bench as he is a nightmare for tired defenders
Sakho has been missed all season, the work rate, movement, speed etc are so helpful for the team to move up the pitch
I've liked Feghouli improvement in 2017 but in terms of impact he is a bench player
What's worrying for me is the regression of 2 of our stars last year Noble and Cresswell. Noble takes the bulk of the abuse as he really has been exposed this season but Cresswell has been pretty woeful as well. Not sure if he's lost his pace or the injury haunts him but you never see him win 50/50s anymore and is always lost when he's up against a winger with pace
Masuaka didn't start great this season (but then who did this year) but maybe it's worth bringing him back in as Cresswell needs a bit of a kick imo
- - - - - - - - Randolph - - - - - - - -
Byram -- Reid -- Fonte -- Masuaka
---- Obiang ---- Kouyate ----
- Antonio --- Lanzini -- Ayew -
- - - - - - - - Carroll - - - - - - - -
We don't play players in correct positions.
We don't have a regular striker.
We make stupid mistakes .
The players lack desire and passion.
Basically the same problems that apart from a few games every now and then have been issues for as long as I can remember at West Ham.
Nothing really ever seems to change whoever the manager is or who we buy. After any slight improvement we always go back to the same old West Ham. Sloppy passionless club.
I want see our players showing passion and desire in every game that is the only way this club will improve.
Never been able to understand why things never change. It seems it is engrained in the culture of the club.
We have regressed from last season, and although we had a few dodgy performances, on the whole I went into almost every game thinking we could get something. This time round I expect defeat pretty much every weekend, and have done all season.
I was one of Bilic's biggest advocates, but some of his decisions leave a lot to be desired. The right back fiasco, for example. We have two at the club. He doesn't trust either of them. So why not get one in in January? He said he was happy with his options yet doesn't back that up with his actions. I knocked Allardyce for playing Matt Taylor there but at least that only lasted one game. Antonio, Nordtveit and Kouyate have all been deployed there and all have struggled. Why? Because they're not right backs. I mean, what exactly are we paying Arbeloa for?
How can you explain a!team that has not won this year . Completely out playing us and they missed two penalties and scored three goals against us.
The players do not chase back and fight to win games and they are sloppy in their play that's why we make so many mistakes.
As for a Bournemouth player scoring a hat trick against us again there is no other word you can use than pathetic.
It needs to change and the excuses need to stop.
;yercoat
Even if those figures are true that isn't much these days..
Then Fonte gifts them a second pen.
We did not defend as a unit all game and that really does need to be addressed.
I can see what Bilic is saying - there were some good things to take from that game.
Oh and can John Motson please retire, he did our game on MOTD and he was awful ;doh
I hope Bournemouth survive.
http://www.transfermarkt.gr/west-ham/transfers/verein/379/saison_id/2016
Sorry, £70m + £45m isn't much?
Who for?
Even accounting for the sale of Payet and Tonka, that's around net £80m on players.
If you are saying that £80m isn't enough to get us playing and doing better than the last manager's side, I don't get it.
I'm not saying we should shift Slav - quite the opposite.
But to lay the blame at the board for being cheap isn't, to me, a reasonable claim.
And to suggest that following that investment we are still nowhere near being better than we were isn't good enough, imo.