Our Best XI (and formation)

MrsGreyMrsGrey
edited April 2016 in Men's First Team
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  • LukerzLukerz
    Kouyate - Noble
    Sakho - Payet - Antonio
    Carroll
  • alderzalderz
    For me it has to be Antonio on the right Lanzini on the left and then pick between Sakho & Carroll depending on opponent
  • Slaven_Cups_His_BeardSlaven_Cups_His_Beard
    I actually think Slav secretly likes Carroll above all of his other strikers, and more than what our previous manager did.

  • WHU_Champo_league_in_7_yearsWHU_Champo_league_in_7_years
    But we've been saying play Antonio on the wings for weeks but he's still at RB so think we need to establish that this is Bilics prefered way
  • Slaven_Cups_His_BeardSlaven_Cups_His_Beard
    Obviously Byram isn't quite ready yet, that's fine he was bought for the future....I'd rather we wait then potentially break him.

    I love it when some fans shout "get the kids in", when they're the same fans that probably boo'd Lampard, Ince and jumped on everyone's back as soon as possible.
  • alderzalderz
    IMO, our best XI is: Adrián; Tomkins Reid Ogbonna Cresswell; Noble Kouyate; Antonio Payet Lanzini; Carroll
  • WHU_Champo_league_in_7_yearsWHU_Champo_league_in_7_years
    I still like sakho over Carroll but the other places pretty much pick themselves

    Maybe collins for reid whos struggled a little but think it's a lot to do with us having Antonio at RB
  • alderzalderz
    I think that with Tomkins at RB Reid and Ogbonna have way more protection and it really helps them. Almost ends up as a back 3 at times.

    That formation allows us to very quickly switch between 4-2-3-1 and 3-4-3, which is really useful.
  • Expat_HammerExpat_Hammer
    I think Reid struggles because he's changed sides at the back since Ogbonna has arrived.
  • WHU_Champo_league_in_7_yearsWHU_Champo_league_in_7_years
    And he has to cover the aches of space Antonio leaves behind him

    And let's be honest as much as we love noble and Kouyate they don't really sit deep they are both quote adventurous in their own ways
  • alderzalderz
    Expat, I totally agree with that.

    That's why I think Tomkins works well at RB. Gives the defence far more balance, as Reid gets sucked a bit too central from the right.
  • pardewalegendpardewalegend
    Tomkins not quick enough for full back
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    edited April 2016
    Expat_Hammer said:

    I think Reid struggles because he's changed sides at the back since Ogbonna has arrived.

    I think that too, I also think Ogbonna need to be a lot more careful with hands all over the opposition players in our penalty box.
  • alderzalderz
    I disagree pards.

    Maybe not as an attacking one, but with him sitting deeper we are a much more solid unit.
  • Expat_HammerExpat_Hammer
    I've got no problems with JT at full back. He's done good when asked.
  • pardewalegendpardewalegend
    True
    But we like to play pressing football now and he doesn't fit that at full back
  • alderzalderz
    When you look at teams like Everton and Arsenal, they often get caught out on the break because everyone presses forward. I think that leaving someone back with the centre halves can be really useful, and shores us up a bit.

  • LukerzLukerz
    Tonks at RB until we have a proper DM.
  • NEoldironNEoldiron
    edited April 2016
    I know he's left footed, but how about Ogbonna at RB and Tonks back at CB. Ogbonna has better pace and has played full back before, from Wiki:

    Ogbonna is also capable of playing as a left-back on occasion, due to his pace, technique, ball skills, vision, and distribution with his left foot

    There would be the added bonus of possibly reducing his manhandling in the box ;biggrin and also Reid could go back to his better position.
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    But Oggi is a better CB imo. I think he is our best CB as it happens.

    Tomkins is an ok RB but gets dragged across to the middle to easily.
  • WHU_Champo_league_in_7_yearsWHU_Champo_league_in_7_years
    edited April 2016
    Adrian
    Tomkins Reid Ogonna Cresswell
    Noble Kouyate
    Antonio Payet Lanzini
    Sakho

    For me

    Fairly straight forward for me except one thing, Reid or Collins. I've been very impressed with Ogbonna and now he's imo our best CB.
    Collins perhaps made us more secure but he played a lot of the games where Tomkins was at RB AND we had to play with 3 holding midfielders as we were short of attackers
    Reid is the better player so gets my vote

    Then between carrol and sakho feel to get anything out of Andy we need to get it spot on whereas with sakho if the crosses aren't quote being delivered well enough he can stil l make something happen other ways. With Carroll it's hit him with the perfect cross or bust whereas sakho is good with the ball at his feet, ball in the air or running behind the lines
  • LukerzLukerz
    edited April 2016
    Adrian
    Tomkins - Reid - Ogbonna
    Antonio - Kouyate - Noble - Cresswell
    Payet
    Sakho - Carroll

    Randolph, Collins, Byram, Obiang, Lanzini, Moses, Valencia

    I think if we could get that side out consistently and work on it regularly, that would be the most balanced side and best side we could get on the pitch.

    In the summer, if we could replace Valencia, Moses and Obiang with genuine quality, even if we spent all our budget on the three players, we'd be well placed.
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Replace Obiang ;hmm
  • WHU_Champo_league_in_7_yearsWHU_Champo_league_in_7_years
    Yea dont see why we'd sell obiang

    23/24, hasn't put a foot wrong and was signed for a nice fee and nice wages

    Noble and Kouyate aren't getting dropped and doubt we'd go 3 in the middle as our best XI so doubt we'll see a CM especially with Nordveit signed as well
  • LukerzLukerz
    edited April 2016
    Tbh, not sure what Obiang offers. Bit of a 'meh' player. I'd like to keep him as I midfield option, but we need to replace him in the 18 with a proper quality DM.
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    I'd play Obiang above Noble every day of he week. He's mobile, pacey and tackles well.

    ;run
  • Expat_HammerExpat_Hammer
    I'd rather replace Ogbonna
  • WHU_Champo_league_in_7_yearsWHU_Champo_league_in_7_years
    Think that's a bit harsh

    He's tidy in possession and while he's not a crunching tackler he's normally well position which allows him to make nice interceptions and defensively is our most disciplined player

    If we can find an affordable DM then maybe but we haven't got an unlimited budget and after buying a world class Striker and another attacking player we won't have a particularly huge budget left and think replacing obiang isn't a necessity more than a luxury that we may or may not be able

    Gonna be an interesting summer

    How much does everyone realistically think we'll have to spend this summer

    How much do we need?
  • LukerzLukerz
    I'd hope up to £50m.
  • LukerzLukerz
    edited April 2016
    IronHerb said:

    I'd play Obiang above Noble every day of he week. He's mobile, pacey and tackles well.

    ;run

    ;wink

    Possibly he is those things. But not seen any of them to date from him. I'd replace 'tackles' with 'fouls'.
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