West Ham vs Southampton

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  • OutcastLondonerOutcastLondoner
    I think the biggest change needed is mentality, we often don’t seem switched on when a team does turn up aggressive. Like we’re expecting them to sit deep.

    The senior players haven’t done well in taking charge of things too. It was Mukasa and Kante who led our charge in the first half that got out first goal.

    Taty I think had one of the worst striker performances I can remember.
  • LukerzLukerz
    edited October 25
    Tbf to Taty, he has only excelled in a two for us, so playing as a lone striker is always going to hinder him

    Another surprising call by Nuno
  • LukerzLukerz
    I can see why we approached the game cautiously in our shape as Saints are a very technical, quick side who pass through the lines - if we pressed with intensity we may have been caught out - but you still have to defend properly if you are going to stay in your shape - it’s not a case of “if we stay in our positions we’ll be fine”. You have to defend aggressively if you start cautiously & we defended passively. Game was almost over after 11 minutes, despite our efforts for the rest of the game.
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    I have no idea what was going through Nuno’s head when he thought Kante could play up front with Taty. Should have been Pablo or even Mukasa

    Mukasa is a brilliant attacking player but lacks the defensive ability to be played as a central midfielder against the better sides at this level

    Kante or Soucek would have been better alongside Engels

    However we aren’t going to get a better manager than Nuno while we’re down in the Championship

    Disappointing
  • LukerzLukerz
    Souček - Engels - Kanté/Mukasa
    Bowen - Solomon/Austbø
    Piroe/Pablo

    If we are going 4-3-3

    If 4-4-2, play Taty & Piroe/Pablo
  • LukerzLukerz
    Neither Mukasa or Kanté have the experience/discipline to play as a CM in a two against the better sides, so it has to be Engels & Souček then one of those two ahead behind the striker. Or both on the bench.
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    Lukerz said:

    Souček - Engels - Kanté/Mukasa
    Bowen - Solomon/Austbø
    Piroe/Pablo

    If we are going 4-3-3

    If 4-4-2, play Taty & Piroe/Pablo

    The formation isn’t the problem, it’s the selection

    We need a mix of skill and grit, Nuno seems to be going full Ron Greenwood, wanting to play all the skill in positions they aren’t familiar with
  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    From the one of the guys on Claret and Booze

    Swansea's ENTIRE squad cost roughly what we paid for Pablo. ONE player.

    They're 2nd. Boro, whose squad cost a fifth of ours, are top. We're 3rd. ⚒️

    📊 The numbers:

    Squad cost:
    ⚒️ West Ham ~£280m
    🔴 Boro £52m+
    🦢 Swansea £26m+

    Wage bill:
    ⚒️ West Ham £176m
    🔴 Boro £36m
    🦢 Swansea £29m

    Spent in the last two windows:
    ⚒️ West Ham ~£87m
    🔴 Boro ~£44m
    🦢 Swansea ~£23m

    We pay nearly FIVE times their wages. We outspent both of them in the last two windows. And they're ahead of us.

    "It's only October." Fine. But it's not just the table, it's how we're playing. We went to Swansea and they had 75% of the ball and double our passes. We nicked a 1-0 and called it a good day.

    With this squad, this budget and a World Cup winner sat in reserve, we shouldn't be looking up at anyone.

    So why is everyone so calm? Why is 3rd and 14 points dropped in 12 games on THAT budget being treated as fine?

    Is this really the standard now?

    Gives an indication why some on here are frustrated atm.
  • LukerzLukerz
    To me, those stats are pointless because we have just been relegated from the PL after 15 straight seasons, not the case for Swansea 👍
  • LukerzLukerz
    Best attack & 6th best defence, it’s not hard to see where we need to sharpen up
  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    @Lukerz, Conventiently ignored the 14 points dropped in 12 games on our budget quote and it being treated as fine?
  • OutcastLondonerOutcastLondoner
    Lukerz said:

    Tbf to Taty, he has only excelled in a two for us, so playing as a lone striker is always going to hinder him

    Another surprising call by Nuno

    I think that’s a fair point but Kante did a lot of the same work and there were a load of loose balls from pull backs and rebounds for him to attack and he was never switched on.
  • jay_in_cptjay_in_cpt
    OutcastLondoner said:

    Lukerz said:

    Tbf to Taty, he has only excelled in a two for us, so playing as a lone striker is always going to hinder him

    Another surprising call by Nuno

    I think that’s a fair point but Kante did a lot of the same work and there were a load of loose balls from pull backs and rebounds for him to attack and he was never switched on.
    I do find it odd that NES plays him in that position, but I'm not on the training ground...
    But Kante does seem like NES' favourite pet...IMO
  • OutcastLondonerOutcastLondoner
    I’ve been not been convinced on Kante for a while but I thought he looked really bright yesterday.
  • Brother_SledgeBrother_Sledge
    Looked to me like Taty was just going through the motions yesterday. No belief, no commitment to pressing their defenders.
  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    GD is 17 but still 1st.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    I've split off as much of the 'sack Nuno' posts as I can.

    Please use the other thread to continue that discussion, and keep this for match-related points.

    I expect many of the things being said on that topic (manager) will be repeated more than once as the season progresses. So let's have a dedicated place for them - that way, people can choose what they want to read/comment on.
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Fortuneseeker said:

    @Lukerz, Conventiently ignored the 14 points dropped in 12 games on our budget quote and it being treated as fine?

    What the hell has budget got to do with it. We may as well stop the season now and award the titles to the teams with the biggest budget in each division.

    No place for the plucky underdogs anymore I guess.
  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    Well @IronHerb if people want to stop saying we can't compete with the big clubs when it comes to trying to sign the best players then I will believe budget has got nothing to do with how successful a team should expect to be. =)
  • LukerzLukerz
    edited October 25
    I don’t think there is anything badly wrong with Mads, he’s just like most keepers - average.

    Very good with his feet, but doesn’t win you games with top-drawer decisions or saves.

    He never lets in howlers, he doesn’t make worldie saves, all a bit meh.

    Keepers are always vital when you are challenging at the top, let’s hope we don’t regret the fact we have a forgetful one.
  • jay_in_cptjay_in_cpt
    Lukerz said:

    I don’t think there is anything badly wrong with Mads, he’s just like most keepers - average.

    Very good with his feet, but doesn’t win you games with top-drawer decisions or saves.

    He never lets in howlers, he doesn’t make worldie saves, all a bit meh.

    Keepers are always vital when you are challenging at the top, let’s hope we don’t regret the fact we have a forgetful one.

    Probably agree, problem is, average isn't really good enough if we want to finish in the top 2 IMO.
    Mads for me is better than Areola with his distribution, but that's it.
    I never have any hope with Mads saving a penalty whereas Areola I always feel has a chance...
    I don't think we'll see Areola start, unfortunately as old NES is stubborn and set in his ways, but for me Mads offers the team very little.....IMO
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    It appears Mav is out for a period of time, likely a few weeks, following a knee scan. He picked up the knock when he clashed with the keeper in the last minute against Southampton.

    From Ex
  • LukerzLukerz
    IronHerb said:

    It appears Mav is out for a period of time, likely a few weeks, following a knee scan. He picked up the knock when he clashed with the keeper in the last minute against Southampton.

    From Ex

    I was surprised nothing was mentioned of this at the time as he fell really awkwardly when he collided.
  • jay_in_cptjay_in_cpt
    Lukerz said:

    IronHerb said:

    It appears Mav is out for a period of time, likely a few weeks, following a knee scan. He picked up the knock when he clashed with the keeper in the last minute against Southampton.

    From Ex

    I was surprised nothing was mentioned of this at the time as he fell really awkwardly when he collided.
    We're going to need our attackers to step up and score then...Our main man out....sad
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