Perhaps Karen Brady resigned because of all this ?
If it was discussed with her, perhaps she wanted nothing more to do with him...
I know his background wasn't in the most honourable kinds of money making that we've all know about, but these new allegations are on a totally different level.....
I think most of us will agree Sullivan is not a nice person. However, in the documentary I’m not sure he committed any crimes that he could be convicted of. Most of the incidents happened in the 80s and 90s when standards were very different. Much as I feel sorry for any victims I’m not convinced what he did was illegal, however despicable.
It's nothing to do with criminal acts, it's about abuse of power.
One of the things mentioned was that both the women had arrived for what they expected to be business meetings. They were surprised to find Sullivan dressed pretty shabbily when meeting him. It's as if they were looked at as no more than opportunities for his sexual gratification. A truly disgusting individual with no sense of self respect or shame.
C&B Sky what on earth would Karen Brady have to do with anything. These allegations are way before she had anything to do with Sullivan unless you’re suggesting she was one of his victims at some stage.
I am not sure you know the history Thorn - This is from Karen Brady's Wikipedia. I would have imagined she would have corrected it if untrue. I would imagine due to their close business relationship and being a young woman at the time she would be able to add weight to any defence of Sullivan, or maybe she recognises the man they depicted last night. I have no idea of the man she would recognise him to be but a TV programme not mentioning his closest business associate of of some 40 years when detailing his life, when that partner is so high profile I found odd.
Brady's career began as a trainee at the advertising agency Saatchi & Saatchi[14][15] having been rejected for a place on a journalism course at Harlow College. Despite the course rejection, Brady said in a 2018 interview that she made a conscious decision not to go to university, as she was keen to get out in the world and make her mark.[16] A year later, on joining the London Broadcasting Company [15] (LBC) as an advertising account executive, she targeted the advertising business of one of her father's largest clients, publisher David Sullivan, owner of the Daily Sport and the Sunday Sport.[17][18] Sullivan spent more than £2,000,000 on advertising in six months and was so impressed with Brady that he gave her a job.[19]
Sullivan offered her a job with Sport Newspapers,[20] and she became one of his directors at the age of 20. While in Sullivan's employ, Brady spotted an advert in the Financial Times for the sale of Birmingham City F.C. when the club was in receivership[21][22] and persuaded Sullivan to buy it and let her run it. When Sullivan commented that she would have to be twice as good as a man to do that, Brady replied "Well that's not difficult."[23] Sullivan later commented that he agreed to the deal because such a young, female director would attract publicity to the club and also because Brady was a "sacker".[24] Brady was 23 when she started work as managing director of Birmingham City F.C. in March 1993.
and the youth teams! He has to go now, he should have been made to go when that protection order was put in place.
Hang on. The safeguarding concerns are a result of 'allegations'. The article doesn't identify these - they could be the historic allegations. I don't get the 'must go now' part of your comment - it's not (based on the article in the link) - any allegation related to the women's or youth football teams.
Of course is there are unanswered/unresolved issues (which the old unproven allegations are) modern safeguarding practices would mean that his contact with the youth/women's team should be stopped. Quite right.
But to take that safeguarding measure as some kind of additional evidence (beyond what has already been put in the public domain) is just illogical, imo.
and the youth teams! He has to go now, he should have been made to go when that protection order was put in place.
Hang on. The safeguarding concerns are a result of 'allegations'. The article doesn't identify these - they could be the historic allegations. I don't get the 'must go now' part of your comment - it's not (based on the article in the link) - any allegation related to the women's or youth football teams.
Of course is there are unanswered/unresolved issues (which the old unproven allegations are) modern safeguarding practices would mean that his contact with the youth/women's team should be stopped. Quite right.
But to take that safeguarding measure as some kind of additional evidence (beyond what has already been put in the public domain) is just illogical, imo.
How is it illogical? For the last 3 years he has been banned from contact with the womens and youth teams. In those years he has not presented any evidence or been able to refute the claims which have led to the ban.
We have an owner who we now know (we didn't have this information before) who is banned from contact with parts of the company he owns. How can this be anything other than an untenable position?
In those years he has not presented any evidence or been able to refute the claims which have led to the ban.
--- In those years he has not been bothered to challenge the ban. fify
Saying he hasn't been able to refute ... implies he tried but was unsuccessful. Which leads to the inference that he's guilty of something heinous. I see too much of the current reporting using this technique. I think he's sleazy, I'm not defending him. But there's so much tabloid-isation of the media and it's pernicious.
And it is used to further far more harmful agendas than just influencing opinions about a bloke who owns a football club.
It doesn't surprise me at all, whether he was allowed or not to have contact with the Womens team, as the owners have shown no real interest in how successful they are due to the lack of serious investment in developing the squad.
This isn't about being banned from going in to the kitchen or particular premises of the company. He has, from the information we have, been banned from contact with the women and the youth teams. Yes this includes attending their matches but it states contact with them has been banned.
The inference that he is guilty of something heinous is that for 3 years he has been banned from contact with the womens and youth teams and as this is still in place has just accepted that that's okay.
Not sure about others but if I was accused of something which had me banned from contact women and children within the company I owned and I knew I was innocent, I'd be doing whatever I could to prove the accusations false and have the ban removed asap.
For example, the 'sleazy' tag. Some attach that to him because of the nature of the business he was involved in - he sold a product. But people bought it - are they sleazy too? People helped him make the product (including the photographic models) - are they sleazy too?
Is there a financial threshold - almost all the media coverage I've seen harps on about 'billionaire'.
My own view is that there's a prurient, moralistic, faux-outrage, hypocritical, click-bait bandwagon that is being jumped on.
I'm also interested in this idea of abuse of power.
So what power did he have? To give them work/a job. True.
But it's not like he had the power to stop them getting other work if they didn't go along with his wishes. Is that really 'power'? It's not the same as someone who has the power to take away a job you already have.
I think when the TV programme reminded you about some of his content, such as the countdown to a girls 16th birthday to show a topless photo to sell newspapers, it's hard to get away from descriptive like sleazy. I recognise times were different and it was not against any law but there is just something about that which is sleazy, and if anyone bought that paper to see that I think I would term them sleazy as well.
Within a broader conversation it really is about incentivisation and most things are incentivised. Employment itself is incentivised through salary. So human beings incentivise other human beings to do things for them, the question is when does it become abusive, criminal etc. Returning to the above I have no doubt that the 16 year old girls were not forced but considered it a reasonable exchange for exposure they may have hoped would lead to a career. But the person incentivising them to do that is sleazy in my book.
I read a bit of the BBC article this morning and I noticed that in the context of that 16 thing, and similar, some of the younger women were accompanied by various parents to these interviews.
I read a bit of the BBC article this morning and I noticed that in the context of that 16 thing, and similar, some of the younger women were accompanied by various parents to these interviews.
Accompanied to the venue, they were split up for the actual interview apparently.
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If it was discussed with her, perhaps she wanted nothing more to do with him...
I know his background wasn't in the most honourable kinds of money making that we've all know about, but these new allegations are on a totally different level.....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yzwy055xdo
It's as if they were looked at as no more than opportunities for his sexual gratification.
A truly disgusting individual with no sense of self respect or shame.
TIME TO GO
Brady's career began as a trainee at the advertising agency Saatchi & Saatchi[14][15] having been rejected for a place on a journalism course at Harlow College. Despite the course rejection, Brady said in a 2018 interview that she made a conscious decision not to go to university, as she was keen to get out in the world and make her mark.[16] A year later, on joining the London Broadcasting Company [15] (LBC) as an advertising account executive, she targeted the advertising business of one of her father's largest clients, publisher David Sullivan, owner of the Daily Sport and the Sunday Sport.[17][18] Sullivan spent more than £2,000,000 on advertising in six months and was so impressed with Brady that he gave her a job.[19]
Sullivan offered her a job with Sport Newspapers,[20] and she became one of his directors at the age of 20. While in Sullivan's employ, Brady spotted an advert in the Financial Times for the sale of Birmingham City F.C. when the club was in receivership[21][22] and persuaded Sullivan to buy it and let her run it. When Sullivan commented that she would have to be twice as good as a man to do that, Brady replied "Well that's not difficult."[23] Sullivan later commented that he agreed to the deal because such a young, female director would attract publicity to the club and also because Brady was a "sacker".[24] Brady was 23 when she started work as managing director of Birmingham City F.C. in March 1993.
Of course is there are unanswered/unresolved issues (which the old unproven allegations are) modern safeguarding practices would mean that his contact with the youth/women's team should be stopped. Quite right.
But to take that safeguarding measure as some kind of additional evidence (beyond what has already been put in the public domain) is just illogical, imo.
We have an owner who we now know (we didn't have this information before) who is banned from contact with parts of the company he owns. How can this be anything other than an untenable position?
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In those years he has not been bothered to challenge the ban. fify
Saying he hasn't been able to refute ... implies he tried but was unsuccessful. Which leads to the inference that he's guilty of something heinous. I see too much of the current reporting using this technique. I think he's sleazy, I'm not defending him.
But there's so much tabloid-isation of the media and it's pernicious.
And it is used to further far more harmful agendas than just influencing opinions about a bloke who owns a football club.
They don't care about going into the kitchen/baling shed/classroom/typing pool (showing my age there)/building site...
The inference that he is guilty of something heinous is that for 3 years he has been banned from contact with the womens and youth teams and as this is still in place has just accepted that that's okay.
Not sure about others but if I was accused of something which had me banned from contact women and children within the company I owned and I knew I was innocent, I'd be doing whatever I could to prove the accusations false and have the ban removed asap.
The champion of women, hmmmmm
For example, the 'sleazy' tag. Some attach that to him because of the nature of the business he was involved in - he sold a product. But people bought it - are they sleazy too? People helped him make the product (including the photographic models) - are they sleazy too?
Is there a financial threshold - almost all the media coverage I've seen harps on about 'billionaire'.
My own view is that there's a prurient, moralistic, faux-outrage, hypocritical, click-bait bandwagon that is being jumped on.
So what power did he have? To give them work/a job. True.
But it's not like he had the power to stop them getting other work if they didn't go along with his wishes. Is that really 'power'? It's not the same as someone who has the power to take away a job you already have.
Within a broader conversation it really is about incentivisation and most things are incentivised. Employment itself is incentivised through salary. So human beings incentivise other human beings to do things for them, the question is when does it become abusive, criminal etc. Returning to the above I have no doubt that the 16 year old girls were not forced but considered it a reasonable exchange for exposure they may have hoped would lead to a career. But the person incentivising them to do that is sleazy in my book.