Brentford vs West Ham - Sat 2nd May - 3pm

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  • jay_in_cptjay_in_cpt
    So the morning after....

    Yesterday nothing went for us.....

    Their 1st goal was simply poor, Diouf perhaps could have reacted quicker, their 2nd, again Diouf was hopeless, that was such a needless penalty to give away and a game changer, but he's young and raw, hopefully he'll learn....He's certainly good going forward....
    Their 3rd, AWB did little to show he cared, but for me Mads again should have done better...
    Mads, I know others might disagree but simply doesn't put any confidence out there, his distribution is probably a bit better than Areola, but for me, if we stay in the PL, we need a new # 1....
    The woodwork, ref & VAR certainly did us no favours yesterday, but we got a point against Man City, so COYI, why not against Arsenal a week today...
    For tonight, it'll be, come on you Villians......
  • WhitehorsehammerWhitehorsehammer
    Despite the result I thought we played well, if Spurs loose nothing will have changed expect it is one less game to go.
  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    Match Spurs is all we need to do.
  • stevesteve
    Sorry thorn matching Spurs won't work as they have today's game in hand
  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    If Spurs win then we haven’t matched them. If they don’t win then that’s still all we need to do.
  • LukerzLukerz
    The way to think is if Spurs lose their last 4 games we stay up
  • alderzalderz
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/ckgp6y4lmkpo

    This article about VAR failings includes this passage:
    BBC Article said:

    West Ham should have been given two spot-kicks in their 3-0 loss at Brentford - though one of the decisions was not considered to have reached the VAR threshold.

    Keane Lewis-Potter held Tomas Soucek "in a clear non-footballing action which impacted the West Ham player's movement" and the panel unanimously felt the VAR Tony Harrington should have stepped in.

    It was also felt referee Craig Pawson should have pointed to the spot in the 77th minute when Yehor Yarmolyuk slipped and brought down Pablo inside the area.

  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    Mr Harrington yet again I see. 🤦🏻‍♂️
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    It's infuriating.
  • alderzalderz
    The thing that I think is most crazy about though, though, is that the panel agreed that Yarmolyuk fouled Pablo, but didn't agree that it should have been sent to VAR. I don't understand it at all
  • Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_MoyesJorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes
    alderz said:

    The thing that I think is most crazy about though, though, is that the panel agreed that Yarmolyuk fouled Pablo, but didn't agree that it should have been sent to VAR. I don't understand it at all

    I understand what they mean, they're saying that on balance it's probably a penalty but that it doesn't meet the supposedly high bar needed for intervention.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    It's because of the stupid way the PL have implemented VAR. ( Clear and obvious)
  • LukerzLukerz
    Had Pablo actually controlled the ball properly, it would have been a pen
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    You don't need the ball for a pen to be awarded.
  • LukerzLukerz
    You do if a player accidentally slips into you
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Nah! If you trip, push over, punch etc. etc. a player without the ball then it's a pen.
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    MrsGrey said:

    It's because of the stupid way the PL have implemented VAR. ( Clear and obvious)

    Is "clear and obvious" just the Prem? How do Serie A and La Liga differ?

    I assumed that VAR was the same in all competitions
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    Apparently not

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cly6993wn64o
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    "The Premier League has the lowest VAR intervention rate this season - 0.275 per game - though that has not meant less controversy over decisions.

    Figures released last month showed the Bundesliga and La Liga come next at 0.38 interventions per game, with Serie A at 0.44 and Ligue 1 at 0.47.

    In the Champions League, interventions are at a rate of 0.45 per game."

    But that doesn't say VARs in other leagues use different criteria, just that our VARs are less likely to intervene (tell the ref to go to the monitor)

    According to IFAB website it's "clear and obvious" and they set the rules for all of football worldwide

    https://www.theifab.com/laws/latest/video-assistant-referee-var-protocol/

    UEFA's website also uses "clear and obvious" for VAR in the Champions League

    https://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/uefaorg/VAR/02/59/09/51/2590951_DOWNLOAD.pdf

    I don't think its just the Premier League
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    The fact that they are having a summit to 'reset' VAR so that it is used only for 'clear and obvious' indicates that while this criterion may be what the rules say, not all leagues are applying it.
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    Unless I've misunderstood the article "clear and obvious" is what UEFA wants, the problem is other leagues use VAR too often and they want them to be more like the Premier League with fewer interventions
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    That's what it sounds like.
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    So UEFA think Premier League has the best VAR...

    ...how bad must it be in other leagues???
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    ASLEFshrugged said:

    So UEFA think Premier League has the best VAR...

    ...how bad must it be in other leagues???

    Did you see the Celtic penalty the other night? Nuff said.
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    Scottish football has refs???
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Don't think so, but they seem to have a lot of Celtic fans.
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    I remember when I was a kid listening to the results on Grandstand and was convinced they didn't have goalkeepers
  • buffybegoodbuffybegood
    ASLEFshrugged said:

    I remember when I was a kid listening to the results on Grandstand and was convinced they didn't have goalkeepers

    Watching their national team play often led to the same conclusion.

  • ScotHammerScotHammer
    11-a-side rush goalie!!
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