Summer Transfer Speculation (its just two months away)

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  • claretandblueskyclaretandbluesky
    My read of this bit of business is that they have not bought Areola's replacement but a second choice keeper, whom they hope will put pressure on him for the gloves and may make the step up. I don't see him starting anytime soon.
  • buffybegoodbuffybegood
    claretandbluesky said:

    My read of this bit of business is that they have not bought Areola's replacement but a second choice keeper, whom they hope will put pressure on him for the gloves and may make the step up. I don't see him starting anytime soon.

    That's how it feels to me, but Areola really does need replacing imo. He's clearly not suited to the way Potter wants him to play, and the mistakes he's making trying to do so seem to be, quite naturally, affecting his confidence in the rest of his game. You can't have a keeper lacking in confidence, it's a recipe for disaster.

  • alderzalderz
    I can absolutely see us still signing the fella from Leicester and Areola going on loan to Saudi or something.
  • buffybegoodbuffybegood
    alderz said:

    I can absolutely see us still signing the fella from Leicester and Areola going on loan to Saudi or something.

    Apparently Mrs Areola likes living in London.
  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    alderz said:

    I can absolutely see us still signing the fella from Leicester and Areola going on loan to Saudi or something.

    IF that were to happen we would still only have two keepers, one of them being Foderingham?

  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    edited August 5
    Who is Jordan Butler? Can't say I've ever heard of him but I don't think I've missed much
    Jordan Butler, BBC said:

    Frenchman Alphonse Areola, 33

    Areola was born 27 February 1993
    Jordan Butler, BBC said:

    The 6ft 5in Brazilian has excelled during the past two years and he was a key member of the Rio de Janiero side’s league and Copa Libertadores double in 2024.

    The past two years would includes 2023/24 season when his loan with Real Valladolid was terminated after conceding 17 in 12 games . How good could he be if he wasn’t good enough for the Segunda?

    Also its Rio de Janeiro not Rio de Janiero
    Jordan Butler, BBC said:

    He was also in the team that defeated European champions Paris Saint-Germain 1-0 at the recent Club World Cup.

    I think just about everybody has been critical of the standard of play during the tournament, PSG weren't at their best nor was anyone else so hard to judge
    Jordan Butler, BBC said:

    His 2024-25 statistics make for excellent reading, especially when compared to Areola and the recently departed Fabianski.

    Brazilian season runs from March to December so not sure what 2024/25 means

    In 2024 he conceded 41 goals in 51 matches, so far in 2025 he's conceded 31 in 35

    I did wonder if maybe the defence was poor but Botafogo ranked 5th for shots allowed last season (11.6 per game) and 8th this season (12.3)
    Jordan Butler, BBC said:

    It is worth noting that the Premier League is a step up in level from the Brazilian top flight but the numbers do suggest that West Ham may well have unearthed a goalkeeping upgrade.

    Maybe he's looking at a different set of numbers in which case I wish he'd share them with the rest of us
  • alderzalderz
    Fortuneseeker said:

    alderz said:

    I can absolutely see us still signing the fella from Leicester and Areola going on loan to Saudi or something.

    IF that were to happen we would still only have two keepers, one of them being Foderingham?

    I’m saying Victor comes in now, Areola goes later and the Leicester guy comes later.
  • LukerzLukerz
    Yep, & rumours this morning we are still in discussions with Leicester. Some people just need to chill until deals are done.
  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    @Lukerz, Not really when lots of other clubs are making several signings, some of whom we were linked with like Aston Villa and Evann Guessand. The season starts on August 16 & we have only really signed one player that cost us proper money. I know about JCT but he was already here & we have let one of our best players leave. I am perfectly calm about these things and resigned to the fact that whilst Mr Sullivan is in charge we will never actually achieve what we were told we would try to do when we left Upton Park.
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    We aren't doing that bad

    Fulham have signed one player, 34yo GK Benjamin Lecomte, £500k from Montpelier, will be backup to Leno as last season's backup Steven Benda has gone on loan to Millwall

    Palace have signed two players, 27yo Croatian LB Borna Sosa, £2m from Ajax although he spent last season on loan at Torino, and 32yo Argentinian GK Walter Benitez, free PSV Eindhoven
  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    Fortune Sullivan isn’t just in charge of the club he actually owns it. The rules preclude him using his own money to buy players so we can only use income.
  • LukerzLukerz
    edited August 6
    Fortuneseeker said:

    @Lukerz, Not really when lots of other clubs are making several signings, some of whom we were linked with like Aston Villa and Evann Guessand. The season starts on August 16 & we have only really signed one player that cost us proper money. I know about JCT but he was already here & we have let one of our best players leave. I am perfectly calm about these things and resigned to the fact that whilst Mr Sullivan is in charge we will never actually achieve what we were told we would try to do when we left Upton Park.

    Well since we left UP, we’ve never been relegated, been in Europe three years running, won a European trophy, reached three European 1/4 finals or better, broken our transfer record three different times…

    I get people don’t like him, but let’s not be completely blind to what we have achieved in the last decade.

    I only care about players other clubs sign if we actually wanted them.
  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    edited August 6
    thorn, Ok point taken but I am struggling to see any evidence that we are any nearer achieving what was said prior to us vacating Upton Park or am I missing something that was reported at that time?

    ASLEF, Both of those teams finished above us last season & one of them won the FA Cup.
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    Neither of those teams signed a new manager last summer then sacked him halfway through the season

    Silva's been at Fulham since July 2021

    I never believed anything they promised about the move from Upton Park so not that disappointed
  • WHU_Champo_league_in_7_yearsWHU_Champo_league_in_7_years
    Fortuneseeker said:

    @Lukerz, Not really when lots of other clubs are making several signings, some of whom we were linked with like Aston Villa and Evann Guessand. The season starts on August 16 & we have only really signed one player that cost us proper money. I know about JCT but he was already here & we have let one of our best players leave. I am perfectly calm about these things and resigned to the fact that whilst Mr Sullivan is in charge we will never actually achieve what we were told we would try to do when we left Upton Park.

    Who are these "lots of other clubs"

    The only ones who have made significant signings are the big 6 who're immune from PSR apparantly and the new 3

    Villa done nothing
    Newcastle cant get anyone across the line depsite infinite wealth on paper
    Brentford & Bournemouth have been decimated of their best players
    Palace have done nothing and Guehi is gonna leave on the cheap, maybe Eze
    Fulham done nothing
    Forrest & Brighton have a few incomings but lost keys players in Elanga & Pedro respectively
    Wolves lost their 2 best players
  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    Apparently JV doesn’t speak a word of English so no problem there as he won’t understand the abuse if he makes a ricket.
  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    WHU, You are entitled to your opinion as am I 👍. I don’t believe Villa have done nothing & I hadn’t appreciated that when making a judgement on our transfers I had to exclude certain teams! You say teams have lost key players haven’t we lost Kudus?
  • claretandblueskyclaretandbluesky
    thornburyiron said:

    Apparently JV doesn’t speak a word of English so no problem there as he won’t understand the abuse if he makes a ricket.

    This Brazilian goalkeeper signing is very odd. When you add in last years venture to South America for Guilherme it just seems a bit strange. I am sure everything has tightened up nowadays but were we still in the 90's I would be wondering about brown envelopes and money movement.
  • LukerzLukerz
    Dubravka off to Burnley - always a keeper I thought was decent.
  • WHU_Champo_league_in_7_yearsWHU_Champo_league_in_7_years
    edited August 6
    Fortuneseeker said:

    WHU, You are entitled to your opinion as am I 👍. I don’t believe Villa have done nothing & I hadn’t appreciated that when making a judgement on our transfers I had to exclude certain teams! You say teams have lost key players haven’t we lost Kudus?

    Not saying you arent, im asking how you got to your opinion as it doenst make sense to me, not sure eif ive missed somethings

    I asked who these clubs are you think are sisgning lots of players and you haven't elaborated, who are you referring to?

    Villa have only signed 2 players, a 19 year old for £6mil and a 34 year old 3rd choice keeper on a free

    Yes we've lost Kudus, but only Kudus unlike some teams losing 2 or 3 key players

    And my point wasn't were better than said teams, but just don't see how they're doing more than us as you implied

    Taking out the big 6 and new 3, everyone else are kinda having the same frustrating windows in their own way, id say were middle of the pack
  • EXETERHAMMEREXETERHAMMER
    There is a long way to go before the transfer window closes. I expect 2 or 3 more in, and a couple to leave.

    No doubt there will be a bit if a merry go round at some point.
  • LukerzLukerz
    Casey finally confirmed as joining Swansea on loan.
  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    WHU, I looked at the whole Premier League & saw, & I admit some teams have signed less players than us, but many haven't. I expect the Palace & Fulham fans are as frustrated as us but that doesn't mean I shouldn't expect us to have done more.
  • jay_in_cptjay_in_cpt
    Fortuneseeker said:

    WHU, I looked at the whole Premier League & saw, & I admit some teams have signed less players than us, but many haven't. I expect the Palace & Fulham fans are as frustrated as us but that doesn't mean I shouldn't expect us to have done more.

    Although I guess Palace won the. F A cup and Fulham had a decent season, while we in general were poor and probably need to do a lot more than the 2 clubs mentioned, but….

    As already said, there’s still a while to go and I fully expect some new players and departures…

  • WHU_Champo_league_in_7_yearsWHU_Champo_league_in_7_years
    edited August 6
    jay_in_cpt said:

    Fortuneseeker said:

    WHU, I looked at the whole Premier League & saw, & I admit some teams have signed less players than us, but many haven't. I expect the Palace & Fulham fans are as frustrated as us but that doesn't mean I shouldn't expect us to have done more.

    Although I guess Palace won the. F A cup and Fulham had a decent season, while we in general were poor and probably need to do a lot more than the 2 clubs mentioned, but….

    That plus the fact Palace made a £8mil net profit last summer and Fulham made a £20 net loss last summer compared to our £100mil loss... we kinda knew that the money would be tight this year

    They should be FARR more unhappy then us
  • jay_in_cptjay_in_cpt
    WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years said:

    jay_in_cpt said:

    Fortuneseeker said:

    WHU, I looked at the whole Premier League & saw, & I admit some teams have signed less players than us, but many haven't. I expect the Palace & Fulham fans are as frustrated as us but that doesn't mean I shouldn't expect us to have done more.

    Although I guess Palace won the. F A cup and Fulham had a decent season, while we in general were poor and probably need to do a lot more than the 2 clubs mentioned, but….

    That plus the fact Palace made a £8mil net profit last summer and Fulham made a £20 net loss last summer compared to our £100mil loss... we kinda knew that the money would be tight this year

    They should be FARR more unhappy then us
    Understand those quotes, however doesn’t hide the fact we need/ needed to do a lot more than them re squad, but as I said already, the window is open so let’s see what business is still done …..
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    edited August 7
    Ullo, John!, Gotta new keeper? Ullo, John! Gotta new keeper?

    A short history of John Victor Maciel Furtado
    Aka John Victor
    Or just "John" on his shirt (no 12 btw) although don't you wish it was "Nelly"

    Joined Santos 2011 aged 15

    2016 promoted to first team as 3rd choice keeper, over the next three seasons was occasionally seen warming the bench but didn't actually play

    2019 sent on a season long loan to Portuguesa Santista in the Sao Pauli State Serie A2 (stadium capacity 7600), finish 2nd but knocked out in the quarters of the playoffs

    2020 3rd choice keeper again after one keeper leaves then 2nd choice when another gets injured

    Season delayed by COVID, makes his first team debut in November, 15 starts, concedes 21 goals, 2 clean sheets, plays in the Copa Libertadores final, loses 1-0 to Palmeiras

    2021 2nd choice keeper, 11 appearances, concedes 11 goals, 5 clean sheets

    2022 back down to 3rd choice keeper, 2 appearances, no goals

    2023 Annus Horribilis

    Santos sign Vladimir on a free, they now have five first team goalkeepers

    Sent on a season long loan to another Serie A club, Internacional, plays 13, concedes 10 with 5 clean sheets, drops to the bench in July then returns to Santos in August

    Sent on another season long loan, Real Valladolid, first season after relegation from La Liga, starts 11, dropped to bench in October after 5-1 loss to Eibar. Plays one more game in December, 3-1 loss to Espanyol in the Copa del Rey. Returns to Santos

    2024 Annus Mirabilis

    Joins Botafogo (£1.5m) who needed a new keeper after 2023 1st choice Lucas Perri joined Olympique Lyonnais for £2.8m with 50% sell on clause (both clubs owned by John Textor, Perri joined Leeds last month for £15.6m)

    Initially 2nd choice he is given his first Serie A start in April and becomes 1st choice

    50 start, 38 goals conceded, 22 clean sheets, Champions of Serie A and winners of Copa Libertadores, 3-1 vs Atletico Mineiro

    2025

    Halfway through the season, 31 starts, 29 conceded, 13 clean sheets, 6th in Serie A, lost the Brazilian Supercopa 3-1 to Flamengo, lost the South American Recopa 4-0 over two legs to Racing, through to the Quarters of the Copa Brazil and Round of 16 of the Copa Libertadores

    Plus 4 games in the Club World Cup, conceded 3, one clean sheet against PSG

  • ScotHammerScotHammer
    edited August 7
    I'm personally not ready to write off Areola yet. I hope some competition will help him regain his confidence, eliminate some of the mistakes, and he'll become the decenrt keeper I think he is. The presence of Fab seemed to keep him on his toes. All IMO, of course.
  • EXETERHAMMEREXETERHAMMER
    Net spend so far for each club (in Euros. Taken from https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/transfers/wettbewerb/GB1

    1. Arsenal - 216.2m
    2. Liverpool. - 165.38m
    3. Man Utd. - 153.2m
    4. Man City. - 143.9m
    5. Spurs. - 110.1m
    6. Sunderland. - 98.9m
    7. Everton. - 83.25m
    8. Leeds. - 79.4m
    9. Chelsea. - 70.7m
    10. Burnley. - 67.65m
    11. Newcastle. - 35m
    12. Aston Villa. - 7m
    13. Crystal Palace - 1.15m
    14. Fulham. - 0.5m
    15. West Ham. +1.80m
    16. Wolves. +36m
    17. Brentford. +40.7m
    18. Brighton. +41.7m
    19. Forest. +45.87m
    20. Bournemouth +81.56m


    Make of that what you wish

  • alderzalderz
    I think net spend is a bit less effective as a measure than it used to be. Since PSR has been in it really affects what people can actually spend. So, Newcastle being at 35m spend doesn't seem a lot, but they're also apparently at their limit. same for us and Villa. I don't think the data is readily available, but I think the most important thing these days is expenditure vs PSR limit.
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