EURO 2024 Qualifier’s

Slacker

Well he’s come much closer to winning a World Cup or a Euros than any manager since Ramsey. We came to within a penalty shoot out to winning a tournament.
I agree with you to an extent about picking players on form but his record speaks for itself.

jay_in_cpt

Slacker said:

Well he’s come much closer to winning a World Cup or a Euros than any manager since Ramsey. We came to within a penalty shoot out to winning a tournament.
I agree with you to an extent about picking players on form but his record speaks for itself.

So what you're sort of saying is basically he's a nearly man, I totally agree, good but not good enough to make it happen.....Very much close but no cigar......

alderz

I think people forget how desperately poor we were before he came in. People say the squad is great, and yeah it is, but look how mismanaged the ‘golden generation’ were in the 2000s. If the only measure of success is winning trophies then I’m afraid you’re going to be disappointed more often than not.

Also, you say his “lies”. I’m pretty sure he also said that he wanted to create a “club feel” at England camps, which you can’t do by chopping and changing chunks of the squad whenever someone new hits form.

Do I agree with all of his selections? No. But the idea that he should be booted out because he called up a few players he trusts that people don’t agree with is, IMO, very over the top.

jay_in_cpt

Fair enough, but he is a good manager, but not at the calibre to win anything, and yeh, it would be lovely to do so but isn't the end of the world.
He lied by saying he would pick players in form, he doesn't, that's a lie....IMO
But hey, we stuck with the walking waistcoat, and that makes me not so excited to watch England.....Even though I like to......

alderz

I don’t get how he isn’t at the calibre to win anything when he was a few penalties away from the Euros, but agree to disagree I guess.

jay_in_cpt

alderz said:

I don’t get how he isn’t at the calibre to win anything when he was a few penalties away from the Euros, but agree to disagree I guess.

Yeh, some would argue home bonus we should have not let it go to the penalty shoot out to start with, but yeh, happy to agree to disagree ...

jay_in_cpt

Just to put it out there …..
https://www.caughtoffside.com/2023/10/07/gareth-southgate-on-why-he-hasnt-selected-james-ward-prowse-for-england/

Bazshuayi

We have arguably as good a no9 as there is in Kane. Bellinghams stock seems to rise weekly. The biggest problem is fitting the likes of Saka, Foden, Rashford, Sterling, Maddison, Bowen, Rice, Grealish Watkins etc in the mid and forward slots to enable us to outscore everyone. (just a question of time before Lewis gets into the squad?) I say this because our weakest area is centre back.

We have James at RB or RWB competing with TAA, Walker and Tripper. Left side isnt as strong but Chilwell and Trippier can cover there. Stomes is our obvious class defender but I wonder on who the right partner is. Geuhi and aa couple of other youngsters seem at the moment to have potential. I also like Dunk. But unless Maguire makes some miraculous form recovery he's basically stoping progress in our weakest position. I also dont like the goalkeeper but I think thats personal as hes not that bad.

My point (eventually) is that we need to play to our obvious strengths and, for me, Southgate is not an attacking manager who has a wealth of attacking players at his disposal

Slacker

Personally I think Southgate is our best option, unless Pep becomes available……….

Kuchinghammer

jay_in_cpt said:

Just to put it out there …..
https://www.caughtoffside.com/2023/10/07/gareth-southgate-on-why-he-hasnt-selected-james-ward-prowse-for-england/

I'd take more notice of this if the writer knew his omissions from his admissions. 😉

ASLEFshrugged

All the games where we have players (GMT)

Paqueta, Kehrer and Cornet weren't called up,

U21 Callum Marshall has been called up for N Ireland, won his first full cap against Denmark in June, came on with 5 minutes left, scored in injury time but disallowed by VAR.

Thursday
Romania U20 v England U20 4pm
Albania v Czechia 7:45pm
Algeria v Cape Verde 8pm
Grenada v Jamaica midnight

Friday
Ireland v Greece 7:45pm
Netherland v France 7:45pm
England v Australia 7:45pm

Saturday
N Ireland v San Marino 2pm

Sunday
Mexico v Ghana 1:30am
Czechia v Faroe Islands 5:30]m
Ivory Coast v Morocco 6pm

Monday
Haiti v Jamaica 1am
Algeria v Egypt 5:30pm
Greece v Netherlands 7:45pm

Tuesday
England U20 v Portugal U20 7pm
England v Italy 7:45pm
N Ireland v Slovenia 7:45 pm
Morocco v Liberia 8pm
France v Scotland 8pm

Wednesday
Mexico v Germany 1am
USA v Ghana 8:30pm

ASLEFshrugged

And we're off

Romania U20s were 2-0 up against England U20s after 16 minutes, Divin Mubama came on after an hour but the score stayed the same

ASLEFshrugged

Albania 3-0 Czechia, Slavia Prague CF Mojmír Chyti got a second yellow after 39 minutes, Coufal picked up a yellow, both him and Soucek played the full 90 mins

Algeria 5-1 Cape Verde, Benrahma came on after 73 mins

Antonio was missing for Grenada game - Jamaica won 4-1 - and Jamaica only had seven subs

IronHerb

Antonio has been missing for a while 😬

ASLEFshrugged

Ireland 0-2 Greece, Mavropanos played the full 90 mins

Netherlands 1-2 France, Areola kept the bench warm

England 1-0 Australia, Bowen played 90 mins, did well by all accounts, no idea as I was working

buffybegood

I had the match on rather than properly watching it, but from what I saw Bowen was lively, a few give and goes and balls across or into the box. A pretty decent performance from what I caught.

Bazshuayi

Michail Antonio has called Gareth Southgate's failure to call up James Ward-Prowse for England duty during this round of international ties "embarrassing"

IronHerb

I do find it embarrassing that Antonio goes on this podcast and shows himself up on a regular basis.

jay_in_cpt

IronHerb said:

I do find it embarrassing that Antonio goes on this podcast and shows himself up on a regular basis.

But this time he has a point… about time 👍🏻

MrsGrey

IronHerb said:

I do find it embarrassing that Antonio goes on this podcast and shows himself up on a regular basis.

Really?

Why are you embarrassed that somebody you don't know is expressing his opinions in public.

That's what everybody else here is doing

Or do you think that any of us expressing opinions you don't share are showing ourselves up

Lots of people listening to that podcast will agree with him...

claretandbluesky

I think Southgate rubbed salt into the wounds by taking and playing Henderson, Who by going to Saudi is virtually acknowledging he is heading into retirement, and the match was also a perfect game to get a look at players like Ward Prowse.

buffybegood

MrsGrey said:

Really?

Why are you embarrassed that somebody you don't know is expressing his opinions in public.

In this case what he said has merit, but most of the time he spouts a load of rubbish (imo obviously) that does the club no good whatsoever. A lot of us take offence at some of what Sullivan or Brady says, so I think it's reasonable to be annoyed or embarrassed by a lot of what Antonio says.

MrsGrey

I guess it depends on where you come at this from.

For me, any player giving opinions on general football stuff - I don't think it reflects in any way on his employers (ie the club he plays for)
So for me, he can say what he likes, ascan Callum Wilson. Or any of the players who get to do media gigs during tournaments...

Often I think their comments are risible. But I judge them only as reflecting on their own judgement. So that's why it doesn't bother me

ASLEFshrugged

N Ireland 2-0 San Marino. Callum Marshall came on for the last half hour, had a couple of shots but didn't score

Mexico 2-0 Ghana, Kudus played the full 90 mins, Alvarez subbed off after 73 mins

IronHerb

MrsGrey said:

IronHerb said:

I do find it embarrassing that Antonio goes on this podcast and shows himself up on a regular basis.

Really?

Why are you embarrassed that somebody you don't know is expressing his opinions in public.

That's what everybody else here is doing

Or do you think that any of us expressing opinions you don't share are showing ourselves up

Lots of people listening to that podcast will agree with him...

We’re expressing into a small group, Antonio to the world. I’m not sure I’ve heard anyone on here saying we’re going to take Liverpool this season or that they have a practised dance for when we score against the Toon. If so I would. I don’t like someone who represents West Ham making crass statements. We on here are not in that position.

Bazshuayi

I'm not knocking him and at the end of the day its up to him what he does or doesnt say. He's in a privilged position job/money wise and nearing the end of his career so he probably thinks there's little chance of anything negative happening (that he cant handle) if he says what he wants. With that in mind, if you're speaking and knowing many people will listen/get to hear about your comments, then I doubt the listeners want to listen to anything boring and there's most likely a tendency to say things that will get a reaction. Or, in one word, 'bants'

ASLEFshrugged

Czechia 1-0 Faroe Islands. Soucek 76 min penalty, Coufal was an unused sub. Both seem to have come through the international break without injury

Ivory Coast 1 - 1 Morocco Aguerd played 90 mins

Haiti 2 - 3 Jamaica Antonio came off just before the end, got assists for the first two goals. Didn't look injured when he walked off so fingers crossed

alderz

MrsGrey said:

I guess it depends on where you come at this from.

For me, any player giving opinions on general football stuff - I don't think it reflects in any way on his employers (ie the club he plays for)
So for me, he can say what he likes, ascan Callum Wilson. Or any of the players who get to do media gigs during tournaments...

Often I think their comments are risible. But I judge them only as reflecting on their own judgement. So that's why it doesn't bother me

I agree that it doesn't reflect on the club in any way. However, some of the things he has said in the past year have had potential other impacts. He obviously spoke very plainly about Scamacca not being suitable for the manager, which may be fair but wasn't a necessary thing to say at all. He has also rubbed a couple of opponents up the wrong way with comments - I don't know why he wants to say anything that might give an opponent an extra desire to get one over on him when they play us.

The other thing about that podcast, for me, is that there are obviously two of them hosting it, but the highlights the BBC put on the website are ALWAYS Antonio saying something outrageous. Wilson seems to poke Antonio and then he's happy to be the mouthy one. I just am not a fan of it, personally.

ASLEFshrugged

Egypt 1-1 Algeria Benrahma subbed after 63 mints
Greece 0-1 Netherlands Mavropanos played the full 90 mins

No reports of injury to either

ASLEFshrugged

Seems that Benrahma was unhappy at getting subbed - not an unusual response from him - and the Algerian manager Djamel Belmadi grabbed Benny by the shirt when he didn't shake his hand as he left the pitch

Benrahama and Belmadi don't seem to have a good relationship and Benrahma isn't the only Algerian player to have problems with the manager