International Allegiance (Declan Rice)
What are peoples thoughts ?
I'm an England fan but he has 3 caps for ROI. Unless he secures a move to a top 6 side i can't see him featuring for England much if he was to swap.
However for me on principle he has turned out for Ireland U16 onwards if i'm right ? and he has made posts in the past on twitter when asked the Ireland / England question.
He makes himself look a complete Twonk imo, probably all fueled by his agent and money. Its very sad to see.
I'm an England fan but he has 3 caps for ROI. Unless he secures a move to a top 6 side i can't see him featuring for England much if he was to swap.
However for me on principle he has turned out for Ireland U16 onwards if i'm right ? and he has made posts in the past on twitter when asked the Ireland / England question.
He makes himself look a complete Twonk imo, probably all fueled by his agent and money. Its very sad to see.
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Unless he's also considering a move from West Ham then he'd do well to stay with Ireland, IMO. West Ham players tend not to do very well as far as England caps go.
#Rice in a Paddy
Does he want a bit part in an England set up or an integeral part in the RI set up. Its a no brainer for me...
Rice had been adamant that he was committed to the ROI, even pulling up DG recently when he said he hoped to see him as an England player, so I really can't see what has suddenly changed.
As you say, Suze, disappointing.
He’s obviously got someone pulling strings behind the scenes what with his contract rejection. Maybe he’s being told being an England international increases your chances of a big move?
His first cap was against Turkey in March on the strength of his performances in his 23 first team appearances before that. He started the next eight games because Reid was injured.
The MotM award was a bit misleading as it was awarded by the Irish press but none of the Turkish players were rated. Leicester are hardly a top 6 team and Harry Maguire is one of the first names on the England team sheet.
Easy for me to say given that there was never the slightest chance that I would ever be placed in such a position.
In a perfect world, seeing how the ROI gave him his chance and heightened his profile, he really should acknowledge that and commit to them.
Dec will come across badly whilst he is advising him
I feel he should stick with Ireland, but then again the irish team is currently so poor....and if he continues to develop into the player we think he may become i see no reason why he cannot make the england team and play at Euros and World cups....and at the end of the day hes more likely to win at england then ireland
This coupled with the contract situaion leads me to believe he is perhaps letting his agent be more demanding then he needs at this stage of his career
Difficult situation no doubt
Kilbane wasn't particularly having a dig at Rice, simply saying that he would rather Ireland had no success than rely on people who weren't 100% committed, and McClean simply agreed with him.
IMO when players use their grandparents etc to play for a Country it's usually they can't hack it in their 1st/natural choice .
I don't know the facts so can't be 100% sure how I feel, but it does sound all a bit " about other things " than true aliegance ...
Clearly, Kilbane is annoyed at Rice, but for me, he wasn't having a go at him personally, so much as the idea that if someone has to think about whether or not they want to play for the ROI, they probably shouldn't be considered, even if it means Ireland have (even less) success.
Killban is very critical of us as fans and our club, often with out any justification so I’ll not pay any attention to anything he has to say. O’Neil needn’t have gone public either.
Rice has a big decision to make, does he back himself and believe he can be an England international. Possible play in a World Cup.
Whatever his decision we as West Ham fans we should back him 100%.
You should only be able to play for the country of your birth at any level.
Turning out for the country your grandparents were born in is, for me, is just plain daft.
At one stage all you needed was to have seen an Irish wolfhound across the street to be selected.
His dad's parents were from Cork and moved to England.
Ireland Have only been to three World Cups, 1990, 1994 and 2002, and they've only been to three Euros, 1988, 2012, 2016.
If he switches to England then he faces competition for a place, if sticks with Ireland he's almost guaranteed a place and he'll probably get to put his feet up during the summer
- your immediate (and biological) ancestors up to grandparents were born there, or
- you have lived there for 5 years
My own view is that limiting it to country of birth would be wrong.
My sisters were all born in Ireland.
I was born in England.
My oldest sister was brought up in Ireland.
My other two sisters and I were brought up in England.
Our eldest sister is clearly more culturally (and identifiably) Irish than any of us.
She is no more genetically or historically Irish than us.
I'm no less Irish than any of my three sisters.
It seems to me that if you are a citizen of a country, or eligible for citizenship, then you are entitled to represent that country in international tournaments.
I don't see how it could be otherwise.