West Brom vs West Ham - Saturday 16.09.17 3:00 Match Thread
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It may have been a combination of him not playing in a position that suits him best and not getting the service
From a creative point of view, both sides were very poor. But the clean sheet of course is brilliant news.
One thing's for sure - Carroll and Hernandez are not conjuring up memories of Hartson and Kitson
The emphasis was on us to win the game. This is where 3 at the back does limit us. Whenever the CB's had the ball, they couldn't do anything with it to influence the play. So it ended up with us only having one creative player on the pitch; Antonio. And in any case, he is not creative in the sense of Lanzini, more through being direct, which often results in a worse than 50% chance of actually leading to anything productive. Several times he looked like he was going to threaten the backline of WBA but just did too much or took on that extra player and was muscled out of it by 2/3 WBA players.
Carroll never has an impact on Pulis sides; it's what they want. Sakho, Ayew and Hernandez would've caused bigger problems.
As a result, no Lanzini results in no real goals . All our goals this season have been fortunate. All the result of some kind of rebound/pinball moment.
0-0 is not a bad result. Problem is next weekend could see yet another defeat and the slowly increasing positivity will go back to '4 points from 18' negativity.
Shame Obiang's effort didn't bounce down over the line. The sort of moment the game needed. 0-1 to us would've given our start a whole new perspective.
West Brom were rubbish. Parking the bus at home to a team struggling with confidence defies belief.
Barracks mention of Hartson and Kitson is all very well but they were being supplied with opportunities, Carroll and Hernandez are not.
I think most of us would have taken a point and a clean sheet but this was probably an opportunity missed.
The home crowd were atrocious and actually booed Ginge when he went off with an obvious hamstring issue, he even reacted against that.
Best part of the afternoon came when two guys were being marched out by stewards from the home fans seats down by the away fans to a chorus of ;quaver cheerio, cheerio, cheerio ;quaver when one of them looked up, smiled and unzipped his top to reveal his West Han shirt. There was much laughter and cheering, a real funny moment.
I feel we did play into WBA/Pulis' hands a bit with our formation and play, yet at the same time very pleased to see us stop conceding silly goals so I'm a bit conflicted!
First half though I agree Ant was our only creative option aside from knocking it up for Carroll, and that simply isn't enough to cause ruptions in a defence as tightly drilled as Pullis' Albion. Seriously though, how bad and negative were they for a 'home' side?! I don't think I've ever seen a side at home to us be so negative - we aren't exactly MCity - poor WBA fans if they have that every week.
I disagree with a few here as I think Arnie showed promise when he came on the field and I think he can be a good player for us on that left wing, that we have struggled to fill since that french urchin left us.
Slaven watched the replays and he thinks it wasn't a red. I agree with him.
https://highlightsfootball.com/video/west-bromwich-albion-vs-west-ham-united-highlights-full-match/4/
Wasn't a red, ball was going away from the goal and players back, barely touched him, wasn't impressed with Reid's reaction or Hernadez rolling around as if shot
It has nothing to do with a goal scoring opportunity; it is to do with endangering an opponent, which is why Luiz was sent off for an almost identical challenge yesterday.
He comes out of his area, out of control with his foot up at shin height, studs showing; it doesn't matter how much or little contact is made, it should be a red.
Foster was coming from a different angle and was a typical keepers "I'm committed but might not get there in time" challenge
Completely different scenarios one may of been to cynically stop a forward the other was to go through someone and do some damage.
Hence the refs got it right on both counts in my opinion
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Any time a player's foot is up, going studs in to another player, I think that's a red.
Imagining the intentions of the player is irrelevant. Did Mane mean to do serious damage to the Citeh keeper? Almost certainly not. Was it a red? Yes, every time.
Not sure what difference it being a keeper making the challenge should make.
More disappointed with some of our players reactions than the refs decision tbh
Just a shame that the ref had to remind Reid and the others to take a step back, he was clearly counting how many Hammers were in his face. Reid didn't really stop though, heat of the moment probably but not sure he had to run 50 yards to do that, there again other clubs seem to lap it up, just doesn't sit well for me
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I just didn't like the way we acted in that scenario, even our manager got carried away
No one said you would agree with everything Slav said in the future.
That was rather my point.
It's different when you're trying to get somebody booked/sent off for something like handball, where a team-mate wasn't endangered. Then it's not very classy surrounding the referee.
Foster was high and out of control, and I'm glad we tried to get him sent off. Hernandez could have been out for the season if he'd been caught.
Each to their own
One is that a dangerous tackle has endangered a team-mate's season, in which case I'm glad our captain and other players were livid.
The other is when an opponent hasn't done anything dangerous, and you're surrounding the referee to get him sent off purely to get a sporting advantage.
In my opinion what happened with Foster and Hernandez comes under the first scenario, which is why I think it was justifiable for our players to be angry.
Of it.
Now if it had been a david Luiz type scenario then of course I'd expect us to protect our own
I don't think either intent or contact come into it.