West Ham UNITED vs City's Stars - Wed 1st Feb KO 19:45 London Stadium Fortress

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  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    Actually thought Reid had a good game again. Fonte was decent. Carroll ran around a bit. The rest were woeful.

    Byram got roasted tonight but as he is our only right back he has to play every game from here on in. Crazy situation to find ourselves in
  • NEoldironNEoldiron
    The thing you notice about Citeh is how quickly they move the ball, not so much by running with the ball or trying to dribble, but movement off the ball into space to receive a pass.
    Plus, the whole team moves en masse up and down the pitch so that space is restricted within the lines.
    We didn't help by not pressing the ball, you'd've thought that we would've studied Everton's win against them and taken that on board, or is match preparation restricted only to the training ground. ;hmm
  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    I'd have thought they'd have learnt a lesson from the cup tie. Watching again tonight it was so so easy for them as they could just pass through us because we weren't within 5 metres of them for most of the time.
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    and keep making the same errors. No brains.
  • BazshuayiBazshuayi
    I never get too up or down after a game. Fact is, Citeh are scary up front and we cant cope with them. We dont have to play them anymore this season and no other attack from any other team has such an unhealthy affect on our defence ;wahoo Snoddy and Kouyate will come in and all will be fine (til the next time we play them) ;yercoat
  • alderzalderz
    On Reid's position, he has always played on the left of the pair for us when partnered with Collins, Tomkins and Faye, it's only when he's paired with Ogbonna that he moves to the right. IMO, the move back will help him ;ok
  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    edited February 2017
    Everyone knows that man for man City are superior to us but that doesn't excuse the fact that we make so many schoolboy errors time and time again and not just against them.
    What gets to me most is that from the beginning of the season we have made error after error in midfield and defence but seem incapable of finding a solution. Given that Bilic was a central defender he doesn't seem to have passed on any kind of tactical knowhow whatsoever.
    Apart from players I think a priority in the summer should be to find a decent coaching team. Since Dicks was taken on our defence has been a shambles for the most part and Dan anybody name the rest of our backroom staff and what they're supposed to be doing.
  • HammerexHammerex
    Perhaps this was the real reason Payet wanted to leave. ;hmm
  • chicagohammerchicagohammer
    Proud of the fans in the second half, heard bubbles ringing out,

    We know and have to accept that man city are man for man better than us, but in the first half especially, it was men against boys.

    Antonio, Carroll and Reid can hold their heads up and Snodgrass looked sharp enough but as for the rest of them..........
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    Adam said:

    Thorn

    Bilic can't make the players not make any mistakes. It's the players' fault that they are making mistakes.

    Don't agree - for one and two thirds seasons we have had different personnel and different systems and yet we still consistently concede poor goals. Bilic is 100% accountable
  • NEoldironNEoldiron
    Thorn said:
    "Apart from players I think a priority in the summer should be to find a decent coaching team. Since Dicks was taken on our defence has been a shambles"

    Rio offered his services a few weeks ago didn't he. I wonder if his offer still stands ;hmm
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    We had these problems last season - count the number of times we conceded 2 plus goals in a game. Cracks were papered over by payet's feats at the other end. Example being Everton away last season where although we won we were all over the shop at the back v 10 men

    We have been properly shellacked, especially at home time after time this season. Only our barely deserved 1-0 wins separate us from where palace and Swansea currently are. If our previous manager had been presiding over this shambles the servers over in Greece would have gone up in smoke by now, such would have been the vitriol..
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    Adam

    Yes I believe he is ultimately accountable for what happens on the pitch. That is his job for which he is paid handsomely.

    Whatever he is doing in training isn't working. One and two thirds seasons now!
  • alderzalderz
    It's a lack of concentration from certain players that we didn't really see under BFS. I think that suggests that our defensive coaching isn't working as well as Slav would like
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    Alderz ;ok

    He's had a very long time to get things right in that department IMO
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    Well that went well ;doh

  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    edited February 2017
    City are a better team but i dont think you will find many teams who will get rolled over by them. Especially the mid table teams.
  • VorselaarhammerVorselaarhammer
    edited February 2017
    To me the players looked nervous from the start I think the 5-0 was on their mind.

    The goals last night were some of the worst school errors we've made all season.

    For the first goal, Cresswell passed blind into the middle of the pitch when there was not one of out players within 20yards, that is just shocking.

    Even Sunday league know not to do that. Really Really Really Poor.
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    2 of those belong to us. Who are the other 4?
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    "It's a heavy defeat but after every one of them we bounce back"

    Yeh, right on there, Slav ;lol

    Well we must be bouncing more than Zebedee because this season the next capitulation is only around the corner.
  • TheMadcapLaughsTheMadcapLaughs
    Vorselaarhammer said:

    To me the players looked nervous from the start I think the 5-0 was on their mind.

    The goals last night were some of the worst school errors we've made all season.

    For the first goal, Cresswell passed blind into the middle of the pitch when there was not one of out players within 20yards, that is just shocking.

    Even Sunday league know not to do that. Really Really Really Poor.

    This stems from a point I made on identifying a system and having the courage to stick with it. If you play the same system week in week out and train accordingly you should instinctively know who is around you and where they are likely to be. My one criticism of Bilic is he doesn`t seem to have settled on a system. Some of this is down to lack of decent available players (right back!!!) but not all of it. The first team, reserves, youth teams should play a system so that players from each team should be able to move seamlessly between teams without too much bother. It does help also if the players RUN AROUND A BIT. ;angry
  • Pearces_Left_FootPearces_Left_Foot
    The fullbacks well left exposed all game when we had the ball two or three players were straight on us, we were out worked , out played
  • VorselaarhammerVorselaarhammer
    Madcap - Certainly consistent tactics etc are important no doubt.

    But Cresswell could also have booted it out, he was on the touchline, so if you feel so pressured that you will lose the ball, just kick it out.

    Choosing to pass it into the middle of the pitch, what's that about...

    It just bugs me that goal.
  • HammerexHammerex
    alderz said:

    It's a lack of concentration from certain players that we didn't really see under BFS. I think that suggests that our defensive coaching isn't working as well as Slav would like

    You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink it.
  • alderzalderz
    True, but, again, there are managers that see a lot less of these silly mistakes with "lesser" players. How many mistakes have West Brom given away that lead to goals? I'm not suggesting that I would rather we played like West Brom, but it is clear, IMO, that we wouldn't see as many silly errors with a more defensively driven side, so to suggest the manager has no control is wrong, IMO.
  • LukerzLukerz
    edited February 2017
    It's what comes from a more expressive style.

    Cress could've lumped it down the line. But instead thought he'd find a player. Why there wasn't a player in the zone Cresswell passed to was the bigger issue? The shape was all wrong.
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Sorry Luke but you don't pass into a zone expecting someone to be there do you?
    Cressie has a history of these passes.
  • VorselaarhammerVorselaarhammer
    edited February 2017
    Luke - If there is nobody there then it isn't a pass....
  • LukerzLukerz
    I agree completely. It was 100% Cresserz fault.

    But we had two deep midfielders sitting, yet neither anywhere near the centre of the pitch?
  • NEoldironNEoldiron
    Luke, you mean we had some midfielders on the pitch last night?
    Who were they, or better yet, where were they? ;hmm
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