January 2017 Transfer Speculation

24567…49

Comments

  • WHU_Champo_league_in_7_yearsWHU_Champo_league_in_7_years
    Same, he offers something that we have literally no one else who can compare and that is pace

    Payet, Lanzini are wonderful players, Ayew is direct but in terms of pace no one compares to Antonio

    He is the only guy who makes runs past the oppositions defence and he's the only guy who attacks the defenders and tries to best them

    Yes he doesn't always get past the defenders and his crossing leaves a lot to be desired but he can create havoc

    A problem we've had this season is not enough bodies in the box, with Payet and Lanzini dropping deep leaving Carroll isolated and his runs into the box which resulted in his goals is a trait we have no one else to replace with
  • alderzalderz
    I was going to post something about how I saw someone on twitter saying they wouldn't care if Antonio left, and I was going to laugh about how some people just like to be contrary.

    But apparently that's an opinion that people hold, for some reason that I cannot fathom.

    I don't think he unbalances the team at all. We probably seem imbalanced because there is no right back behind him. Or maybe because our left winger didn't come back after the Euros.
  • LukerzLukerz
    Well, seeing as we appear to have not a lot of money, we're going to have to find a way of raising finance.

    Antonio is an interesting one. Clearly isn't interested in playing RB (bet he'd play there happily at Chelsea), doesn't look overly convincing at WB, is effective as a RW but more by luck than judgement and does have a knack of finding the back of the net, but so did Kevin Nolan.

    His stock is high, his value high, I personally don't think he's got any more improving left in him and I don't think his technical ability is good enough to warrant being a 'key' player. I find a lot of his play selfish (not saying he IS selfish, but he lacks awareness and vision to do anything but go it alone).

    His crossing is very hit and miss and I maintain he's had a poor season generally, apart from a few goals which have mainly come in losing causes. I don't think his all round play has been anywhere near good enough. I know that will not be a popular view because people will just come back with "he's our top scorer you numpty" and I can't really argue with that.

    If Chelsea are offering us Bats as part of a deal, or just willing to spend £20m plus, I'd take it.
  • alderzalderz
    If we need to raise money we should look to sell other players first. In my opinion, selling Antonio would weaken the team significantly.

    I think the argument that he isn't interested in playing RB is wrong, I just don't think he's any good there. I think he's been a very good RWB, and I also don't know how long you can argue it's more luck than judgement - he's been doing it since he got into the side over a year ago.

    I wouldn't disagree that he hasn't been as good as last season, but everyone else in our team has had a far poorer season than last season (except Reid & Obiang) so that's to be expected.

    I think without him we are far less dangerous, and are a far weaker side.
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    Would leave us short of attacking options though, particularly with question marks hanging over Payet’s head. We’ve already lost Tore and haven’t replaced him, so if we sell Antonio and Payet forces out hand, we’ll be back to where we were at the beginning of last season and have no wingers at the club
  • Pearces_Left_FootPearces_Left_Foot
    Antonio is one of our few players who is direct , he causes other teams all sorts of problems. He is a beast in the air and one of our most hard working players . I don't really get the point in selling him unless its for a massive fee. I dread to think what we would have been like if we had Tore out there on the RW all season.
  • HamstewHamstew
    If we sell Antonio I am done with our owners
  • LukerzLukerz
    edited January 2017
    You can only sell who has interest.

    You can say 'sell Payet' but we need a bid first.

    If the current title favourites want Antonio, he goes.
  • alderzalderz
    lol Luke you have spent the last year telling anyone who will listen that he will be off any second.
  • alderzalderz
    Oh, so if Chelsea want him he goes. Like how we want Hogan who plays for a much smaller club, so he's here already because those are the rules.
  • LukerzLukerz
    ;whistle

    My predictions are always 100% accurate. ;biggrin
  • VorselaarhammerVorselaarhammer
    We sell out top goal scorer and then are left with who on the wing / RB / Striker....?

    Our second best header of the ball and the guy that wants to take people on.

    We let the only player go who has actually improved from last season...
  • LukerzLukerz
    edited January 2017
    Ald - you know what I mean mate.

    I said Payet would go as I honestly thought there would be interest and we wouldn't be able to say no. There ended up being no interest so I was wrong. Again.

    And Hogan will end up here.
  • LukerzLukerz
    edited January 2017
    Can't believe people think it's as simple as saying 'don't sell Antonio'.

    This is Chelsea. Title-challengers, Champions League participants, mega money salaries and big transfer fees.

    Yeah, sorry Michail, you ain't going lol. Really?
  • alderzalderz
    [we open on a dark boardroom, a hand picks up a telephone and raises it to an unseen face]

    Hey Michail? Remember that 5 year contract you signed last year?
    "Yes?"

    [scene]
  • alderzalderz
    It absolutely is as simple as that. The only way we sell is if they offer us so much money it because foolhardy not to. We are in the position of power, not anyone else
  • NEoldironNEoldiron
    Have Chelski actually made a bid, or is it all journo/twitter (nearly mis-spelt that) chat. Whatever, I think it would be a massive loss if he went, and would upset most of the supporters.
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    Lukerz - those are all good arguments for joining Chelsea, Man City, Real Medrid or any other big club.

    The argument against is that they've already got good players in Antonio's position and he wouldn't be guaranteed a starting place. At West Ham his name must be the among the first Slaven puts on the team sheet.
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    brookingsirons said:

    One Thing worth remembering William cannot even get in that team as it stands
    although a different player than Antonio still a top class player ..

    Good point Brookings.

    Bats and Willian and you've got yourself a deal, Conte ;ok
  • OutcastLondonerOutcastLondoner
    I think all this talk about moving players on is ridiculous. The team isn't functioning as a unit, I don't think any individuals are more to blame than others. Selling any of them is weakening the team and is going to mean rushing to replace them at a point in the season when we're vulnerable.

    The right couple of players to plug the holes and a way to reverse our confidence slide and I think we'll be fine again. When the confidence is back and things start clicking again, all those players who are supposedly lacking interest will suddenly become heroes again (because even now, they're stats aren't bad).

    Our transfer window was based on getting into Europa and we failed at that, ending up with players in the wrong positions for the task we ended up with. Then we were hit with injuries.

    Apart from brining in a striker and a RB, our future depends more on Bilic than the players. We have decent players.
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    Antonio is the only one scoring goals. We wouldn't have anyone scoring goals if he left. Ludicrous if they got rid of him. One of our best players.
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    But we went for Defoe ;hmm
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    MrsGrey said:

    If we did lose Antonio we'd be down to the minimum number of homegrown players.

    If we did lose Antonio we'd be down to the minimum number of goals
  • Pearces_Left_FootPearces_Left_Foot
    Slaven_A_Laugh_Lukerz said:

    Can't believe people think it's as simple as saying 'don't sell Antonio'.

    This is Chelsea. Title-challengers, Champions League participants, mega money salaries and big transfer fees.

    Yeah, sorry Michail, you ain't going lol. Really?

    Yeah that's what Berahino thought aswell and that turned out well for him did n't it ;lol
  • BazshuayiBazshuayi
    OldCastleSwift said:

    brookingsirons said:

    One Thing worth remembering William cannot even get in that team as it stands
    although a different player than Antonio still a top class player ..

    Good point Brookings.

    Bats and Willian and you've got yourself a deal, Conte ;ok
    Doesnt that also apply to Fabregas? A player with a ridiculous assist per game ratio compared to others ( who admittedly is a bit of a snide too ). They got 60M for Oscar and as they're Chelsea they'll expect the same for Willian. So we'll owe them 40M with an Antonio swap before we even think about Batshuayi ;nonono
  • WHU_Champo_league_in_7_yearsWHU_Champo_league_in_7_years
    Our top scorer the whole of last season was Payet and Carroll with 9 each, Antonio is at 8 at the midway stage of the league

    Find it funny the same person who's given the board a bashing for not getting a £30/40mil striker who can get us more than 15 goals a season yet wants to sell the guy who's on track to get 15 goals this season
  • LukerzLukerz
    edited January 2017
    That can't be me your referring to as I've never said any of those things. But yes let's just go way OTT to make a point.
  • LukerzLukerz
    I knew it wouldn't be a popular opinion. Looks like it's just me and sweeperz then.
  • LukerzLukerz
    I never said I would sell Antonio. Just said I wouldn't be bothered and can see his flaws. Everybody else thinks he's quality, fair enough.
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    He has his flaws, Luke, however we are a team which lets in bucket loads of goals and struggles immensely to score any. Here is a guy who actually has got a remarkable number of goals given the circumstances. So where people ask why on earth would Sunderland consider selling Defoe, a similar argument could be put in the case of West Ham and Antonio.
This discussion has been closed.