Why does Klopp get so much credit? (And why Slav is a lot better.)
Before the final yesterday, it seemed to me that the meejah consensus was that Klopp had transformed the fortunes of Liverpool FC. After the game, it seems that Klopp has a lot of work to do to transform this bunch of no-hopers into a decent team.
Whichever way it goes, Klopp is brilliant, apparently.
Which led me to wonder, if we compared our squad (7th in the PL) with theirs (8th) how much better would that make Slav?
I took all players who had made 10 or more first team starts as a basis for comparison.
To be totally fair to them, I included lanzini's transfer fee, even though this year we had him on loan.
I'm not going to do any analysis, as I think the figures speak for themselves.
Whichever way it goes, Klopp is brilliant, apparently.
Which led me to wonder, if we compared our squad (7th in the PL) with theirs (8th) how much better would that make Slav?
I took all players who had made 10 or more first team starts as a basis for comparison.
To be totally fair to them, I included lanzini's transfer fee, even though this year we had him on loan.
I'm not going to do any analysis, as I think the figures speak for themselves.
| PLAYER | Apps | Cost (M) | Totals | PLAYER | Apps | Cost | Totals |
| Simon Mignolet (G) | 34 | £9.00 | Adrian (G) | 32 | Free | ||
| £9.00 | Free | ||||||
| Nathaniel Clyne (D) | 33 | £12.50 | Carl Jenkinson (D) | 13 | Loan | ||
| Emre Can (D) | 28 | £10.00 | Angelo Ogbonna (D) | 27 | £8.00 | ||
| Dejan Lovren (D) | 22 | £20.00 | Winston Reid (D) | 24 | £1.00 | ||
| Mamadou Sakho (D) | 21 | £18.00 | James Tomkins (D) | 23 | Academy | ||
| Martin Skrtel (D) | 21 | £6.00 | James Collins (D) | 16 | £2.50 | ||
| Alberto Moreno Perez (D) | 28 | £12.00 | Aaron Cresswell (D) | 37 | £3.75 | ||
| £78.50 | £15.25 | ||||||
| James Milner (M) | 28 | free | Mark Noble (M) | 37 | Academy | ||
| Philippe Coutinho (M) | 24 | £8.50 | Cheikhou Kouyate (M) | 34 | £7.00 | ||
| Adam Lallana (M) | 23 | £25.00 | Dimitri Payet (M) | 29 | £10.70 | ||
| Lucas (M) | 21 | £5.00 | Michail Antonio (M) | 23 | £7.00 | ||
| Jordan Henderson (M) | 15 | £16.00 | Manuel Lanzini (M) | 23 | £7.50 | ||
| Jordon Ibe (M) | 12 | £0.50 | ? | Victor Moses (M) | 13 | Loan | |
| Pedro Obiang (M) | 11 | £4.30 | |||||
| £55.00 | £36.50 | ||||||
| Roberto Firmino (F) | 24 | £29.00 | Diafra Sakho (F) | 18 | £3.50 | ||
| Christian Benteke (F) | 14 | £32.50 | Andy Carroll (F) | 13 | £15.00 | ||
| Daniel Sturridge (F) | 11 | £12.00 | Enner Valencia (F) | 10 | £12.00 | ||
| £73.50 | £30.50 | ||||||
| £216.00 | £82.25 |
Comments
Just seems to me an easy out for Klopp (and his 'supporters') to blame the very expensively assembled players.
He could field regulars from a selection worth over £200m, and couldn't get them to play better than us.
http://www.whu606.com/discussion/9676/champion-league-and-europa-league-semi-finals-finals#latest
As for the price tags just because Liverpool were willing to spend that on a player doesn't mean that is their true value, Payet is looking decidedly underpriced on £10.7m, Lallana decidedly overpriced on £25m and as for Benteke.......
I know he has a good record; I was specifically wondering why he gets so much love in the UK meejah.
Every time Liverpool did well, it was a sign of Klopp's influence and genius. Every time they slipped up, it was a sign of how bad their squad is.
If those players really aren't any better than ours, then there need to be serious questions asked about their recruitment process.
My opinion is that Slav would have done better with those players.
I don't think anyone could have done better with those players because they don't seem to be working as a team together. The recruitment process was a disaster which is why when Klopp took over he insisted that he wanted complete responsibility for transfers rather than the five man "transfer committee"
Don't think that explains why he has been getting a free pass, where it is down to him when they are good, but the players when they aren't.
The media love him because he is a character, he jumps up and down on the sideline, for some reason that overshadows poor tactics.
That doesn't really address the question of why he gets such an easy ride, even if it attempts to explain why his team hasnt been as successful as Slav's in the PL this season.
Also, isn't your point a bit contradictory? If they did it sometimes, then surely the players he had at his disposal could do it?
Moreover, what kind of manager only has one style of play, and needs X hundreds of millions to make it possible?
My point is that Slav, with a significantly weaker squad on paper, did better than Klopp.
I think if they had swapped teams, Slav still would have done better than Klopp.
He does get a lot of praise and hasn't been critised like he should but it'd hard not to deny that is not his squad
Talk about the money all you want but those players were just overpriced, he's just the manager it's not on him Rodgers etc to choose the prices for these players
He came in when the season had already started with a squad thay HAS PROVEN that it's no better than 6th place
Rodgers stystem was built around possession and smart build up
Klopp is about pace and direct attacking....... complete polar opposite of each other and no preseason to get his type of players in and impliment his style to the existing ones
It's not a great excuse but it is one
Add the hamstring injuries that ruined his squad, the high profile wins and the 2 cup finals....think he can just about be excused
;ok
My main 'gripe' isn't with Klopp, but rather with what I feel has been the 'free pass' the UK meejah have given him, going massively overboard when his side have played well, but then excusing him almost completely when they haven't.
Regardless of how much Liverpool overpaid for players, it isn't as though he took over a bunch of cloggers and hoofers (Skrtel excepted, obviously.)
Logic, or consistency, isn't a factor for them.
They are happy to build someone up, then turn on them and say exactly the opposite of what they previously said.
Without wishing to reopen old wounds, I noticed the reporting of Sunderland avoiding relegation became, 'Allardayce does it again'.
;hmm
That would be because once more he was brought into a relegation-threatened club and rescued it, would it?
Can they name the teams Allardyce was brought in to save from the threat of relegation, apart from Sunderland?
I know, but that isn't the narrative the meejah offer.
WHU/MU: (link: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/05/10/west-ham-uniteds-night-of-nostalgia-brings-unwelcome------return/) telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/…
Liv/Sev: (link: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/05/18/jurgen-klopp-must-rebuild-liverpool-after-old-transfer-failings/) telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/…
In fact, I'm going to get in touch with the telegraph directly and ask them.
Greame Howlett.
Plus he can dislocate his lower jaw at will.
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Shocking scenes from Saturday as Hibs use a 4 armed mutant to assault a pregnant man!
;lol
Liverpool and Manchester United have been fined by Uefa for illicit chants during their Europa League last-16 tie.
Both clubs have also been punished for the throwing of objects by fans and crowd disturbances, with United fined £44,342 and Liverpool £43,577.
Liverpool have also been sanctioned for setting off fireworks and a late kick-off, while United were charged for stairways blocked at their stadium.
The Anfield side must also pay for damage caused by fans at Old Trafford.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36372274