Other matches Saturday 25th - Thursday 30th November
Pep and Klopp face off for the 15th time in the Premier League and 29th time in total, Haaland has got over his ankle but Grealish is ill.
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Poor man's Klopp
Would Moyes have even put him in the match day squad? I don't think so.
Moving onto the penalties, there's not too much debate about the Wolves one (except that Ream possibly should have got a second yellow for the foul that conceded the penalty), the second Fulham penalty, whilst soft, I do think is correct; I'd be very disappointed not to be awarded it if our player went down. Wrt the first Fulham penalty, what I find interesting is how quickly the ref, Michael Salisbury, has thrown the VAR, Stuart Attwell, under the bus by saying that if he'd been called to the screen he'd have overturned his initial decision. Not a penalty for me either.
I know there's a lot of talk about re-reffing decisions, but I really think we need to get refs to review big decisions more often. VAR is here, it's not going away, but what we need to do is get more consistency. It's easy when a penalty has been given; the game has stopped anyway, and VAR is already looking at it, so I think the ref should always go to the monitor (if we're not going to go down using the big screen for such decisions) to make sure he's happy with the decision he's made. Stick a monitor behind each goal and then no additional time will be lost, and the ref gets a better look at the decision he's made, rather than relying on a VAR to decide whether it might be wrong enough for him to have another look.
Penalties not given is slightly more difficult, as you'd have to rely on the VAR more, but if it's commonplace for a ref to quickly (no more than 30 secs) review any contentious decisions penalty decisions not given at the next break of play (again, more monitors around the pitch should help), then overall the game would probably flow better. VAR has the contentious incident lined up, ref jogs to screen, has a look and then he makes the decision, whether it's to stay with his original decision or change it if what the monitor shows is not how he saw the incident.
The aim of VAR should be to get THE RIGHT DECISION.
As it is, we've got a system that is happy for the wrong decision to stay, as long as it's not very wrong, maybe.
So much of the anger a bout reffing decisions arises when opinions differ... so why an official body would decide to add in another layer of opinion is beyond me.
"It's a little wrong to say a tomato is a vegetable, it's very wrong to say it's a suspension bridge" (The Big Bang Theory). Seems like only supension bridges are deemed worthy of the ref having a second look.
I thought VAR was the same in all competitions and haven't noticed any difference with it in the Conference League or Europa League games we've played
Clear and obvious is meaningless. If the ref makes a mistake that is so clear and obvious then he has no right to be reffing in the first place. If he misses something because he didn’t see it then that’s a different matter.
So if an error is spotted, as unclear and unobvious as it may be (what does that even mean?) it should be overturned through the application of the VAR system so that THEY at least think they've got to the right decision in the end.
Of course there's interpretations and judgements tat people will query. But the ref team should feel they can defend their decision in all honesty, not shrug and say 'it was only a little bit wrong'.
So...
Man City 😲😅
Porto v Shakhtar Donetsk in two weeks will decide who gets the Europa League, Porto just need a draw, Shakhtar needs to win