Bobby Madley was sacked by the EPL
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/50960288
I really don't see how this works, or how the PL can get away with this
What he did was thoughtless, but was sent to a private individual,who understood the wider context of the message, from a personal phone. What has that got to do with his job or the pl? He's lost his living through the spite of a former friend, judged by men of whom some, I have no doubt, have gleefully swapped sexist and racist jokes, and/or watched internet pornography or 'stag' performances. Is the idea now that we must live blameless lives, at least as far as the public record is concerned? And let's not have any 'PC gone mad' nonsense, thanks, this is nothing to do with 'PC'.
I really don't see how this works, or how the PL can get away with this
What he did was thoughtless, but was sent to a private individual,who understood the wider context of the message, from a personal phone. What has that got to do with his job or the pl? He's lost his living through the spite of a former friend, judged by men of whom some, I have no doubt, have gleefully swapped sexist and racist jokes, and/or watched internet pornography or 'stag' performances. Is the idea now that we must live blameless lives, at least as far as the public record is concerned? And let's not have any 'PC gone mad' nonsense, thanks, this is nothing to do with 'PC'.
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I wasn't trying to make that point.
If he had done it at work, of course he should be sacked. If he had circulated it to work colleagues, ditto. If he had done it identifiably as a PL employee (using a work phone or computer,) no problem.
My point is that the video was entirely private, between two friends, and was created within a context that only they would properly appreciate.
At times, in certain company, I make quips or comments that would be seen as offensive, without the context of my friendship group, or my well known stance on issues, So, I might make a comment that is apparently sexist, knowing full well that my friends will know that I am being ironic. However, if that were to be videoed and shown out of context, it would be easy to assume I was sexist.
Should that be a potential sword forever hanging over my employment prospects? I don't believe so.
Madely has recognised, with hindsight, that what he did was insensitive, and ill-judged. For me, an apology and, if thought necessary, sensitivity training would have been more than adequate. I absolutely don't think he deserved to be sacked.
My referencing the behaviour of those sitting in judgement on him was really to suggest 'let him who is without sin...'
If you (the royal you, not you specifically) were to make a video with your friends in which you used racist language ironically, then imo you don’t really have a leg to stand on, and again imo, rightly so.
It does seem odd that it’s only come out because he fell out with his friend, though.
Does this mean that Grey should be sacked from his employment? And many millions of others who may have done likewise?
Does it also mean that if I have a message in my phone which can be interpreted in a certain way from a friend of mine who I no longer get on with, that I can send it to their employer and demand they be sacked?
He should have taken this to court and had it tested under uk employment law.
Do I think if you were filmed mocking someone over their ethnicity or disability or sexuality that you could find yourself in hot water? Yes.
Do I think that a very, very mild joke among friends should lead to you being sacked? No.
Again, I’ll repeat that nobody here has seen the video (though please tell me if I’m wrong on that). He’s made it sound like a bit of banter with his mate, but none of us know what he said or did. His employers do, and clearly they’ve made a judgment call.
Honestly not looking to poke holes or be clever, just trying to clarify what I mean, and what you mean.
There are of course a few exceptions which would be police officers engaging in criminal behaviour or politicians also contravening obligations for their specific role, due to gravitas of their position.