Transfer Director Tony Henry (suspended) dismissed by club

Cuz1

Sacked him then now

Barney

Well managed by the club

Deanscaleshammer

If the reports checked out then no alternative imo.

chicagohammer

There was no way he could survive this - what a complete idiot, thing is, I would wager that he still thinks that he said nothing wrong

MrsGrey

billybondsbeard said:

Any news of a pay off or confidentiality agreement?

He was sacked. That doesn't usually involve a pay off.

MrsGrey

I find it impossible to believe that a discriminatory policy has been adopted: all the facts, which are indisputable, are clear. West Ham has had in the past, has in the squad now, and were during the transfer window actively trying to secure for the future, players of African descent.

In what possible way could there be a discriminatory policy in place?

secrethammersfan

Yesterday, i reviewed a CV of a guy applying for a job with us. I noticed he was American, and said to my workmate “I shouldn’t even talk to this guy -he’s a Yank, and they’re rarely worth the trouble of a work visa”. I did interview him, and we got on great, and we’ll be hiring him.
Tony Henry’s quote was in the same vein. He committed the unfortunate crime/error of speaking outside the tent, and for that, he has to go.

grey_til_I_dye

shf

No, his mistake, imo, was in making a racist generalisation.

MrsGrey

billybondsbeard said:

Every manager I've ever heard of being sacked by a football club had their contracts paid up

The 'sackings' of managers aren't really 'sackings', even though that's the way they are talked about. They have a contract. The club terminates it and pays it up. They part company, terminate the contract, whatever.

In this case though, it looks as though he has been actually sacked. No doubt more details will emerge as to the circumstances.

Deanscaleshammer

Likely it was gross misconduct and therefore contract can be terminated without compensation.

Cuz1

Or as a club say look there’s no way back for you we will say we have sacked you to save face and here’s a few quid to keep you going wonder how many others involved

MrsGrey

Cuz1 said:

Or as a club say look there’s no way back for you we will say we have sacked you to save face and here’s a few quid to keep you going wonder how many others involved

Involved in what?

Pearces_Left_Foot

Maybe we can get a new transfer director who can sign players now

IronHerb

What? Has DS gone?

Moojor

Cuz1 said:

Or as a club say look there’s no way back for you we will say we have sacked you to save face and here’s a few quid to keep you going wonder how many others involved

I'm sorry but it's getting down right ridiculous now. So it's all a big conspiracy is it?

Cuz1

MrsGrey said:

Cuz1 said:

Or as a club say look there’s no way back for you we will say we have sacked you to save face and here’s a few quid to keep you going wonder how many others involved

Involved in what?

Didn’t actually mean the board was referring to emails sent and who to within the club, never mentioned a conspiracy just said there must be someone else involved but not necessarily the board hope that clears it up before any more confusion

baracks_a_hammer

If you read the alleged conversation he does use the word “we”

So who is the “we”? - isn’t it fair and equitable that the investigation be extended to determine if there was indeed a “we” and that these person(s) are investigated too?? I would say so

BubblesNeverDies

I'll just leave this out there, but definitely not in Henry's defence.

Tony Henry said (reportedly):
"West Ham do indeed want to limit the number of African players because 'they have a bad attitude' and 'cause mayhem' when they are not in the team."

SHF said:
“I shouldn’t even talk to this guy -he’s a Yank, and they’re rarely worth the trouble of a work visa”

Mark Noble said, regarding Joao Mario:
"The Portuguese are normally quite tough and I think he’s going to suit our football well."

Grey said:
"SHF, no, his mistake, imo, was in making a racist generalisation."

Tricky, isn't it?
;hmm

Cuz1

baracks_a_hammer said:

If you read the alleged conversation he does use the word “we”

So who is the “we”? - isn’t it fair and equitable that the investigation be extended to determine if there was indeed a “we” and that these person(s) are investigated too?? I would say so

And that’s what I was getting

MrsGrey

;ok I get ya.

(Oh, that's to cuz from the previous pg)

MrsGrey

BubblesNeverDies said:

Tricky, isn't it?
;hmm

Erm, no. I don't think so.

Cuz1

MrsGrey, no problem

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years

To you Grey but obviously not to others and side by side those quotes dont have a lot of difference

Whether you think hes racist, not racist, misinterpeted or found out the simple fact is you cant say things like that and not to expect backlash

I think he deserves the sack but the same boat i dont think hes racist as he is the head of recrutiment and the last 5 years weve brought in a load of african hieritaged players

MrsGrey

Cuz1 said:

And that’s what I was getting at

Hang on, that's not what you said before ;lol I'm going to have to take back my ;ok

Before you said you wondered who all was copied in to the emails.

Now you are saying there is a 'we' who are part of some kind of decision-making to not buy any more African players.

I think that there is no 'we' .. it's just an expression to mean the organisation, rather than 'me and him'. And as I said before, it is self evident that there is no such policy: they were trying to get in two African players on deadline day.




Unless you think that they were never really in for those 2, and that they knew the story was going to break, so they just pretended to try to sign them so they had cover against the story when it came out in the papers.


(Lights blue touch paper and runs away)

MrsGrey

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years said:

I think he deserves the sack but the same boat i dont think hes racist as he is the head of recrutiment and the last 5 years weve brought in a load of african hieritaged players

I don't agree that the fact that he has hired African-heritage players => he's not racist.

He may have all sorts of racist beliefs and thoughts that he hasn't put into practice (because obviously his influence is limited).


He may well not really be racist, despite making a racist comment. He might just be completely unaware of the implications of what he's said. But someone so clueless isn't fit to hold the job.

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years

Yea he may be unfit for the job (as i said he should and deserved to be sacked) but the point was that while he may have made a generalisation doesnt mean he is 'racist'

I mean in the report he specifically referenced Sakho directly as causing problems and praised Kouyates attitude

MrsGrey

When pressed, that is (allegedly) how he replied.

But to me, that's could just as easily be someone trying to prove he's not racist by adopting the 'some of my best friends are black' defence. On it's own, it doesn't cut it with me, I'm afraid.

I could turn your comment around and say just because he said something nice about 1 player, when under pressure and trying to defend himself, doesn't mean he isn't racist.


Thing is, it was his comment that is racist. I know nothing about his personal beliefs. For the comment, as you say, he had to go.

grey_til_I_dye

Champo

To be clear, I didn't say he was racist. I made the point that, imo, his error was making a generalisation that was racist, rather than in being caught out saying it.

MrsGrey

Bit more detail I've just read here https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/feb/02/david-moyes-west-ham-african-players


Henry, who had worked for the club since 2014, is reported to have sent an email to an agent and a club executive asking them not to recommend any more African players.

whupathman

public figure+high profile job+premier league club+ silly boy=sack