Big Names and Big Reputations

MrsGreyMrsGrey
in Men's First Team
Posted on the Watford match thread, but really should have started a new one.
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  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited November 2017
    One thing I have been wondering about.... Moyes said after that the match that he expected more from the players with 'big names' and 'big reputations'.

    I think he could only mean Hart, Carroll ... maybe Lanzini? Zabaleta?

    But I wouldn't say anybody else was a big name in football or had a 'big reputation' beyond West Ham fans, really.

    Maybe Arnie, because he was a record signing.

    But that's it really, imo. (I know it will depend how you define the terms.)
  • claretandblueskyclaretandbluesky
    I think that is about it, there is Chico of course but couldn't have been referring to him at Watford.
  • Cuz1Cuz1
    For 25 or whatever million it was I expect a lot more from Arnie, people say it was a improved performance but if that was as good as it gets it’s wasted money in my eyes
  • jay_in_cptjay_in_cpt
    Although the only 2 of our starting line up not to have represented their national countries at full level are Noble & Obiang...
    But I'd agree , perhaps he meant more experienced ....
  • imagelostimagelost
    To me the players are a bit like, different sizes of Lego
    Just not going to together why
    On paper at the start of season , most teams would park the bus against us
    Saying that, if any of them see pre season,,, the fitness, lol
    But then I am not a top coach,,, like ?
  • alderzalderz
    MrsGrey

    I interpreted it differently.

    I took it to mean experienced premier league players. I don't think any of our players have a significant reputation in world football, so it is more within the context of the team, or the bottom half of the Premier League.

    He could have also been talking about the reputation among other managers. He might have spoken with Sam or with Slaven and been told that Kouyate is great, for example.

    The players I thought he might have meant were Hart, Noble, Kouyate & Carroll
  • LukerzLukerz
    Hart, Zabaleta, Arnautovic, Lanzini and Carroll were the ones I immediately thought. But like alderz says he could've meant a variety of people in the context of the team, like Cresswell, Nobes and Kouyate, for example.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    ald/lukerz ;ok

    He could have meant that, certainly when referring to 'reputations'. Which is perhaps more of a 'local' thing.


    ;llama Nee
  • BazshuayiBazshuayi
    He probably meant Haksabanovic ;run
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    edited November 2017
    He should be saying it about the whole squad rather than so called "big players" no one has pulled up trees so far.
  • alderzalderz
    He’s called them out publicly but kept it vague for a reason, imo. If he comes out and says Andy Carroll then people say what about Kouyate. I’m sure he’s lost it with them in private too
  • KuchinghammerKuchinghammer
    I hope he doesn't apply that remark to his own recent managerial performances... ;hmm
  • HammerwombatHammerwombat
    I have a funny feeling that unless Adrian gets injured, that might well be the last time we see Joe Hart in a Westham shirt. Or, probably an England shirt. He was given a chance, but unfortunately didn’t grasp it with both hands. Or rather he did, but failed to hang onto it. ;jarvis
  • Expat_HammerExpat_Hammer
    I wasn't a happy bunny when I saw him in goal
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    I put my hands up. I thought Hart needed to play after Adrians poor recent performances but I was so wrong.
    It showed early on where he punched a ball when totally unchallenged, followed it up by dropping a cross because he was slow to react, faffed about with a back pass which he allowed to go a foot over the line, which half the stadium saw but not the officials ;doh and then the fumble for the goal. He is not a Premier League keeper.
  • Expat_HammerExpat_Hammer
    When was it, about 30 mins or so when Hart had the ball covered yet the defender still hacked it away ............. said it all for me
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Missed that one. Yeah Oggy played safe.
  • welovethehammerswelovethehammers
    IronHerb said:

    I put my hands up. I thought Hart needed to play after Adrians poor recent performances but I was so wrong.
    It showed early on where he punched a ball when totally unchallenged, followed it up by dropping a cross because he was slow to react, faffed about with a back pass which he allowed to go a foot over the line, which half the stadium saw but not the officials ;doh and then the fumble for the goal. He is not a Premier League keeper.

    The thing is - Adrian will go back in goal and if he makes a mistake people will be screaming for Hart to go back in goal.

    Hart makes mistakes every single match. And I'm not exaggerating. Adrian does occasionally lose his concentration but generally he is a good goalkeeper and will make many good saves. Hart didn't make one (convincing) save against Burnley. He technically let 4 in as the one that didn't count should have as Barnes wasn't offside.
  • ClaretandBlueforLifeClaretandBlueforLife
    Must admit my heart sank when I saw Hart making a start for us. Didn’t understand why we signed him in the first place and still don’t, he’s hopeless.
  • imagelostimagelost
    Indeed c&b
    ;jarvis
  • Cuz1Cuz1
    He’s shot I believe and think his England career will be the same
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    He's shot! ;nonono

    A Hammers fan will probably get the blame. ;biggrin

    ;yercoat
  • PrestonHammerPrestonHammer
    No, the West Ham fans only shot the Sheriff but they didn't shoot his Deputy.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    shot? ;nonono

    Did the owners do it?

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/mar/12/greek-football-match-stopped-after-team-owner-invades-pitch-with-a-gun

  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    What's started?

    Wild press speculation?

    Not sure that ever stopped.
  • Cuz1Cuz1
    I heard it was neymar
  • PrestonHammerPrestonHammer
    Jack Staplehurst, give it up please. There is more chance of me going on a date with Scarlett Johannsson then there is Benzema coming to West Ham. ;lol
  • Expat_HammerExpat_Hammer
    Shergar most likely ;lol
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    No, I think Preston deserves better than Shergar. ;wink
  • imagelostimagelost
    No no no it’s messy
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