West Ham vs Liverpool, 29th January, 19:45

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  • LukerzLukerz
    FT

    Players never believed we could get anything out of that, but a better side would have scored a couple of goals with the half dozen chances we had.
  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    edited January 2020
    Strange watching a game where I’ve been more focussed on our not conceding again than on our attempts. Whilst I was hoping we’d score I was worried each time we attacked we’d get hit on the break.
  • jay_in_cptjay_in_cpt
    Lukerz said:

    FT

    Players never believed we could get anything out of that, but a better side would have scored a couple of goals with the half dozen chances we had.

    100% agree with this, Moyes set us up to salvage a point, was never gonna happen.
  • OutcastLondonerOutcastLondoner
    edited January 2020
    thornburyiron said:

    Maybe he’s not so confident since his injury.

    Yes I think this is it. But Fornals coming into some form was the perfect chance to put some hunger into Lanzini. To not give him the pressure of being the creator in the middle when he was fragile. Moyes has inexplicably crushed the run of form Fornals was building and put Lanzini in the firing line.
  • alderzalderz
    0-2 means we stay out of the drop zone :cool:
  • HammerwombatHammerwombat
    That could have been much worse. I will take that performance as ok, and look forward to Brighton on Saturday.
  • stevesteve
    Great to have Fab back ,could have been 5 or 8 :bowdown:
  • HamstewHamstew
    Saturday is the real game. It's huge.
  • WHU_Champo_league_in_7_yearsWHU_Champo_league_in_7_years
    The state of our team atm, and the form of Liverpool I think it could've been much worse

    Moyes seriously needs to think about how we initiate attacks, as we aren't looking like we have any clue how to attack
  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    More stats
    :Against no side has West Ham manager David Moyes lost more Premier League games than versus Liverpool (17 - level with Arsenal).
    :West Ham have lost six of their last nine Premier League games at London Stadium (W1 D2).
    :Liverpool's Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain has scored more Premier League goals versus West Ham United than against any other side (3).
    :Liverpool's Mohamed Salah has been directly involved in seven goals in five Premier League games against West Ham (5 goals, 2 assists).
  • OutcastLondonerOutcastLondoner
    My stream froze every few minutes but I thought Masuaku at least did a good job driving us up the pitch. Honestly, I just want to see him as a winger now, without any defensive duties other than tracking back. He's the only player other than Antonio who will carry the ball with speed.
  • HamstewHamstew
    Sounds like the young kid did ok.
  • puddleglumhammerspuddleglumhammers
    I agree with Oucast that Masuaku had his best game for a while and is best suited to LWB or left midfield. I also thought 3 at the back worked well but would have preferred 2 out and out strikers which might have stopped Robertson and Alexander Arnold attacking as much as they did. The new lad at RWB did OK but of course most of our attacks came down the left.
    Sorry to see Ajeti did not get on to replace Lanzini, who does look weak at the moment. Hopefully we can stick to 3 5 2 on Saturday and play Haller and Antonio up top and really go for it.
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    steve said:

    Great to have Fab back ,could have been 5 or 8 :bowdown:

    Not sure of that. Fab made 3 saves, none of which were special.
  • WHU_Champo_league_in_7_yearsWHU_Champo_league_in_7_years
    Moyes on Lanzini

    "He is arguably one of our best players, if not our best player," Moyes argued. "When I was here before I needed him as much as I needed Marko Arnautovic.

    "He was such a good player for us and I am desperate to get him back to the levels he was at. I trust him, I believe he can get back to those levels. He has had a bad injury and what I need the supporters to be right behind him because we need him.

    "At the moment he is our flair, he is our person that might makes the difference. What he needs is support but I also need him to make sure he does the right things as well. There is nobody more behind him than me."

    Doesnt sound like Moyes is going to drop Lanzini anytime soon

    Cant agree that hes our best player, even when he was under Moyes first reign
  • chicagohammerchicagohammer
    The problem for me tonight regarding Lanzini is that we were deliberately set up to frustrate Liverpool and surely that is not the sort of set up where it is hoped that he can excel.

    He is best when playing centrally behind hopefully a couple of strikers where he can be creative and cause problems.

    I understand why we were set up this way but I do not understand how Lanzini gets the nod over Fornals in such a game.

    It was not a disastrous result nor that poor a performance, we were clearly second best and a few played poorly, it was not Nobes best night, but we still created a couple of decent chances out of decent positions.
  • MIAHammerMIAHammer
    edited January 2020
    Managed to avoid seeing the result and just watched the game. Although we set up for a 0-0 draw we still created some chances in the 2nd half. Lanzini is a liability right now. He needs to be dropped. The only player to show any desire to run with the ball was the new guy who I thought had a decent debut despite some defensive lapses.

    I am still appalled how poor we are at throw-ins. I had hoped that Moyes would have fixed this. No one goes towards the ball. Quite often there isn’t a player within 10-15 yards of the thrower, so we’re forced to go long and invariably lose possession. It drives me crazy!

    Rice seems to learning from Noble about throwing tantrums. It’s got to stop. He was lucky not to be booked for having a go at the linesman. Noble got booked for dissent. I understand that we want passion but we also need people to keep a cool head.

    Having said all that, the final result was better than expected so it does give me hope that just maybe we can get something from Brighton.
  • whupathmanwhupathman
    #winningiswhatidonot
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    Seems to me like Moyes is trying to play Lanzini into form. Fine if you're knocking about in mid-table with nothing to play for, but in our situation we just can't afford to be carrying passengers.

    I get that Moyes is trying to be loyal to someone who played well for him before, but it's coming across as reckless, IMO.

    Lanzini isn't the only guilty party, I know, but at least we have cover in that position. Fornals was our form player when Moyes arrived, now he's not getting much game time, which for a confidence player - which I think Fornals is - can't be good.
  • whupathmanwhupathman
    Is lanzini Moyes Roberto, loyalty above common sense
  • alderzalderz
    MIAHammer said:

    Rice seems to learning from Noble about throwing tantrums. It’s got to stop. He was lucky not to be booked for having a go at the linesman. Noble got booked for dissent. I understand that we want passion but we also need people to keep a cool head.

    I thought Noble was booked for the tackle (they were checking if it was a red on VAR) not dissent
  • Pearces_Left_FootPearces_Left_Foot
    Overall we did better than I expected after the West Brom game . The young lad did OK at right back was positve played some nice ball into the penalty box. His position sense was a bit off but nothing he can't work on and I think Snodgrass was trying to help him as much as possible during the game. Lanzini is out of form I can see Moyes is trying to play him into form by giving him game time but its not working and I think Fornals who was assisting and getting a few goals should start ahead of him now. Not seen the penalty yet alot of people in the ground thought there was either and offside /and or handball in the build up . Second goal was really poor two players leaving it for each other. Onto to Brighton and a must win
  • MIAHammerMIAHammer
    alderz said:

    MIAHammer said:

    Rice seems to learning from Noble about throwing tantrums. It’s got to stop. He was lucky not to be booked for having a go at the linesman. Noble got booked for dissent. I understand that we want passion but we also need people to keep a cool head.

    I thought Noble was booked for the tackle (they were checking if it was a red on VAR) not dissent
    I didn’t realize that. I thought it was for his over-reaction to the decision.
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    I thought Diop was booked for the tackle.
  • alderzalderz
    IronHerb said:

    I thought Diop was booked for the tackle.

    Diop was booked for the foul that gave away the penalty. Noble was booked 9 minutes later for the absolute not a foul on Origi. I know he reacted to it, but I thought his reaction wasn’t what caused the card. Could be wrong!

    Just checked sky commentary and it seems that it was for the foul, but they mention that he’s angry.



    Ok this makes it clearer. BBC claiming it was a “bad foul” (it wasn’t either of those things imo)


  • BubblesNeverDiesBubblesNeverDies
    Just watched that "bad foul", Jim Beglin on comms said that Origi was "making the most of it" and "exaggerating a lot", probably because they can't say "dived" and that it would be criminal if it lead to a red card.
    It's not the first time I've seen Origi do this, Salah must be teaching him well. :angry:
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    :sub:
  • BubblesNeverDiesBubblesNeverDies
    edited January 2020
    Watching 1st. half, unbelievable how biased Moss is.
    13th minute, Arthur on the left sideline literally barged off the ball by Oxlade-Chamberlain who made no attempt to play the ball - nothing given.
    :angry:

    Oh, and how slow is Haller to get on that brilliant ball from Ngakia in 15th minute
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