Adrian - (looks like he is happy to stay and fight for his place)

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  • Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_MoyesJorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes
    I think if you’re blaming Hart for the first and third goals the other night then IMO you’re trying very hard to blame Hart for them.
  • welovethehammerswelovethehammers
    Jorderz_Slaven_A_Good_Time said:

    I think if you’re blaming Hart for the first and third goals the other night then IMO you’re trying very hard to blame Hart for them.

    As I said "I'll highlight some of his errors for their how's (I'm not saying he should've saved all 3, just merely pointing out where he went wrong)." I'm not trying very hard to blame Hart but I you're trying hard to criticise just a small part of my post.
  • Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_MoyesJorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes
    Sorry, it looked like a large part of your post was suggesting Hart was at least in some way at fault for all three goals.

    I think he was completely blameless for goals 1 and 3.

    I can’t recall any other errors in the game, and you’ve highlighted general things which I don’t agree with.

    I’m confused how you have so much insight into his leadership of the back four because that doesn’t seem to be something easy to judge from the stands. If the centre backs play poorly, that isn’t Hart’s fault.

    I don’t know how often he’s supposed to come out of the box, either, but I prefer for him to stay in goal.

    And let’s be honest, the kicking of every player on the pitch was off against Brighton, not just Hart.
  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    A goalkeeper should never save a penalty. He's likely to be little more in size than 13 sq ft and he's trying to cover 192 sq ft.
    As for the first goal I'm not sure how his getting closer to it would make any difference. Either it is saved or it isn't, a nearly saved means nothing.
  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    Whilst talking about penalties, try this one out.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41728826
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    Imagine if we get relegated I doubt either keeper will be around.
  • imagelostimagelost
    Well what about tonight?
  • MoojorMoojor
    He has to start on Saturday. If ever a player earned a start that was it. This is the sort of man management Slav needs to be hot on.
  • imagelostimagelost
    Agreed
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited October 2017
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    ;lol
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    ;carew
  • BazshuayiBazshuayi
    whatever the perceptions are of his level of ability, I love Adrian and I would be sad if he left.

    Or, alternatively, what Suz did ;thumbsup
  • alderzalderz
    I love the bloke, but I don't think he'll play on Saturday
  • MoojorMoojor
    alderz said:

    I love the bloke, but I don't think he'll play on Saturday

    If he doesn't play, then in my opinion Slav will lose a huge amount of respect from fans and from the players.
    He has often said that players have to earn a spot in the team and Adrian did that in bucket loads last night.
    We don't want to lose Adrian and giving him game time after a massive game like last night is the way to show him that he isn't just going to be a bench warmer.

    It also shows the fringe players that they can earn a start.

  • alderzalderz
    I mean, he wouldn’t lose respect from me. I think the right decision is Hart, but appreciate others may disagree
  • NEoldironNEoldiron
    Adrian every time for me ;ok
  • Expat_HammerExpat_Hammer
    And me
  • secrethammersfansecrethammersfan
    edited October 2017
    At the risk of being modded, in every sense, and in every aspect, the difference for me is that Adrian can be bothered. That's worth points over the season.

    Self modded -I thought of an alternative as soon as I posted! :-)
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    Can you imagine if, say, Arny, Hart and Zab were benched this Saturday

    It would be like admitting nearly all of Slav’s summer transfer business has failed.

    Again.
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    So it's no longer a squad game then? ;hmm
  • secrethammersfansecrethammersfan
    I think it would be more like admitting "I tried to fit everyone into the team before everyone had assimilated properly." I'd accept that.
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    It’s a squad game but many would argue that the first team/first choice needed improving on v last season
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    But people have dips and rises in form, and different players offer more (or less) in certain formations. (Although, I've never been convinced by Arnautovic.)
  • PrestonHammerPrestonHammer
    edited October 2017
    I really thought Arnautovic would be perfect for us but he's just a lazy so and so!
  • jay_in_cptjay_in_cpt
    IMO Adrian would start on Sat...
    But like Alderz said I doubt it...
    For me Adrian just oozes emotion, passion and a love for West Ham...
  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    Why would any West Ham player have a "when fit" clause added into their contract. The chances of their invoking it are fairly small.
  • Slaven_Cups_His_BeardSlaven_Cups_His_Beard
    welovethehammers said:

    Reading these comments I have a completely different view on Adrian. For me he is a top class keeper and far less error prone than Hart (and Randolph). Yes he had one or two shockers in quick succession but he's saved us so many times in his West Ham career. Compare that to Hart who since he's been here has made more errors in less than half a season.

    ???

    Adrian - Stoke penalty, Crystal Palace horrendous mistake, beaten from half way line by Rooney

    Hart -


  • IronHerbIronHerb
    2nd goal v Brighton, 2 free kicks v Scotland etc. etc.

    Everyone makes mistakes and howlers too.
  • Slaven_Cups_His_BeardSlaven_Cups_His_Beard
    2nd goal against Brighton was a decent strike the only thing I’d say is that he didn’t go with the preferred arm, wouldn’t call it a howler at all.

    The free kicks against Scotland were decent too
  • FlorinRaducliousFlorinRaduclious
    edited October 2017
    I like Adrian, always have. He's a good solid premiership upper mid table keeper. Has some great days, and I love his passion. He does have the odd mistake in him though, and occasionally he flaps at things.

    I believe Hart is the better keeper, but not by huge amounts. Of course he still makes the odd howler (as all keepers do barring the absolute legends).

    The issue is now looking to next season. I believe good keepers are harder to find than some reckon here and we've had some decent ones of late (even Randy was solid when called upon and did well to nick the shirt off Adrian for a while last season).

    We need to know if Hart would stay with us next season and join us on a permanent contract. If he will, excellent, keep him in the side and reluctantly let Adrian go - he's clearly not happy, and understandably - he's used to being a number 1. Look to bring in a new understudy who can press Joe but more happy at a number two role (maybe a younger up and coming keeper, but with experience {Bentley?})

    However, if Hart seems unlikely to sign then get Adrian back in the side and make him feel wanted. If we do not, and Hart has no intention of signing then we will be losing both by the end of the season and then have to find two new keepers, at least one of which needs to be a top half skill set goalie, ideally who is used to the prem so can hit the ground running as our number 1. Where are such keepers? Hard to find. We must find out if Hart will stay, if not get Adrian happy again convince him to stay. We will still need to look for a second keeper anyway but can take more of a risk with recruitment because we know that at least Adrian is prem ready.
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