The Owners - The Good, The Bad and The ITK.

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  • The actual tweet says more than she was weak, it makes light of her suicide. It’s a horrible statement to endorse with a like. I don’t think anyone really thinks he meant it though, it’s just a sign that he needs to manage his social media use (and probably come off it).
  • The actual tweet says more than she was weak, it makes light of her suicide. It’s a horrible statement to endorse with a like. I don’t think anyone really thinks he meant it though, it’s just a sign that he needs to manage his social media use (and probably come off it).

    So the whole tweet was about her was it? There was absolutely nothing about football in it at all?
  • Moojor said:

    The actual tweet says more than she was weak, it makes light of her suicide. It’s a horrible statement to endorse with a like. I don’t think anyone really thinks he meant it though, it’s just a sign that he needs to manage his social media use (and probably come off it).

    So the whole tweet was about her was it? There was absolutely nothing about football in it at all?
    I can’t tell if you’re seriously asking? If you are, then it basically says the club is run well and the owners shouldn’t get abuse.
  • no it's a serious question. Did he like a post entirely focusing on her suicide, as that's what the posts here seem to be implying. I have not seen the actual post he liked.
  • edited February 2020


    Moojor this was the post he liked.
  • He’s obvs just read the top half
  • Ok then. No it's not but it's the punchline to what I mentioned above. Not that keen on repeating it but screenshots of it are quite easy to find on Twitter.
  • edited February 2020

    Ok then. No it's not but it's the punchline to what I mentioned above. Not that keen on repeating it but screenshots of it are quite easy to find on Twitter.

    I must admit I didn't feel comfortable putting it on here so it can be removed if people feel uncomfortable with it.

    I also don't think Gold meant anything by it but at the same time it was a pretty stupid thing to do even if it was by accident. The original tweet however is pretty disgraceful imo.
  • So it was stupid of Gold to like that tweet, but he isn't liking a tweet about the suicide, he was liking a tweet about the club being run well.
    Just didn't take the whole thing in.
  • Hamstew said:

    Ok then. No it's not but it's the punchline to what I mentioned above. Not that keen on repeating it but screenshots of it are quite easy to find on Twitter.

    I must admit I didn't feel comfortable putting it on here so it can be removed if people feel uncomfortable with it.

    I also don't think Gold meant anything by it but at the same time it was a pretty stupid thing to do even if it was by accident. The original tweet however is pretty disgraceful imo.
    Sorry I wasn't commenting on you posting it, I hadn't seen yours.

    It's a horrible tweet. I also don't think Gold read it or understood it properly. But people pointing it out is what remedied the situation. It probably doesn't need to be much more than that. The news articles are weird.
  • I really do not get twitter - I am not sure why I would think that my views are consequential to the world at large - on here at least my comments and views are directed at a group with a common interest, Twitter world, not so much.....

    So many have got themselves into hot water over Twitter where literally everyone is an expert and can rebuke or even abuse you, I just do not get it
  • I really do not get twitter - I am not sure why I would think that my views are consequential to the world at large - on here at least my comments and views are directed at a group with a common interest, Twitter world, not so much.....

    So many have got themselves into hot water over Twitter where literally everyone is an expert and can rebuke or even abuse you, I just do not get it

    It's a massive platform and so there's always going to be stupid corners of it. It's a tool that can have benefits and be misused.
    Authorities can use it to inform the public. Politicians can use it to misinform.

    But for context, as a journalist, I wrote 9 articles for a major British newspaper over the last month and I don't think they got even 100,000 reads collectively. And the average time spent on the page was always less than a minute.

    Over a three month period when I was in Sudan and my coverage was at its heaviest, I got something like 2.5 million views to my posts on Twitter. Honestly, that was astonishing to me. Before last month I was working mostly for niche, specialist websites and so generating interest was something I had to do myself. Twitter, in a way, flattens the way we get information.

    There's good and bad. Even the idea of anyone being able to rebuke you has a good side. Yes it can mean abuse (and trust me I get it) but it also means that people who didn't have a means to challenge our established authority figures now do. If a politician lies, it can be called out in the replies.

    Football fits strangely into the dynamic. It's ultimately a low-stakes issue which we all care disproportionately for. Discussions about it tend to passionate and not very logical. I actually think it's a weird way to follow football. It's strange how people think they need to directly address the players and the general use of Twitter isn't that suited because you can't really discuss anything with anyone.

    But yeah, there are people who are into that. And Twitter's a big place where everyone can see evyerhitn but in reality you curate your own circle there so even though your speaking out into the open, it's effectively not all that different to speaking to the people who have chosen to listen to you because of your shared interests.
  • edited February 2020
    Outcast, serious questions, in your opinion, is Twitter a boon or a bane? Would life be better with or without it? Do we actually need it? If it suddenly vanished and was not replaced by a clone, would people get used to being without it?

    I personally don't use Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Snapchat (and whatever else app that comes along that people claim that they don't know how they managed before) for the simple reason that I'd never get anything done. :biggrin:
  • edited February 2020
    With ref to the social media thing, I noticed this article on the Beeb. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51561987 It is mostly about mental health but includes this snippet, (that was news to me) "The big sportswear manufacturers will often set a certain number of followers on social media before they give players certain deals, so a lot of players are chasing those margins.

    My own opinion is that while there can be a lot of advantages from being on one of the social media platforms, I think it can in some instances be like hiring a huge venue, filling it with people who hate you, and are nasty, and standing on stage inviting them to basically slag you off in the vilest terms they can, en masse.

    Why would you do that?

    You have to manage it. If it makes you unhappy, don't do it. It's not compulsory.

    In the case of folks who kind of 'have to' have a presence as part of their job (as in the footballing example above), turn comments off .... get a friend/agent/PR company to run it on your behalf (it would be tax deductable :biggrin: ) or just, you know, say no. (As far as PL footballers go, surely none of them are that hard up for a few extra quid in sponsorship deals?)

  • (As far as PL footballers go, surely none of them are that hard up for a few extra quid in sponsorship deals?)

    No, but their agents are. :hmm:
  • I think the thing is that it does have overall benefits. It’s empowered a lot of people and shaken up a lot of structures.

    It has also sometimes made existing things worth. Rumours spread faster. The type of tabloid hate that came before is now quicker and more direct. But plenty of people were getting hate mail filling up their emails before social media.

    Regarding footballers. That is stupid. But I’m not sure it’s actually all that big a deal. It’s not like they have to do outrageous things to get their numbers up - in fact, they have to be careful about their behaviour because they know they can slip up and mess up their sponsorships.

    It’s part of life and people have to learn to manage it. It’s still not as bad as being harassed by the tabloids. And actually, though it seems like you’re being attacked by an army of people, it’s not spontaneous. There’s usually a cheerleader who is prominent, the person or publication who opens the door to all the trolls with inflammatory statements or stories. That’s not new.
  • Is twitter good? Depends on who you ask I think. Twitter can be a nasty place full of trolls, hatred, racists etc... But then again I've seen missing people found and thousands and thousands of pounds raised for excellent causes.
  • edited February 2020
    Twitter is restricted to 280 characters, if someone doesn't read a whole Tweet before liking it then there is something seriously wrong with them.

    This comment is 225 characters long btw, how hard was it to read all of this?
  • Something wrong...like, say, dyslexia?
  • edited February 2020
    Despite his dyslexia he was able to read "a board that support to the best of their ability" on Twitter and like it so no reason he wouldn't have been able to read the whole comment.

    Unless its an extremely selective form of dyslexia...
  • No reason he wouldn't have been able to, but a reason why he might not have chosen to, possibly. Obvs, I don't know why, but I think your comment that there is something seriously wrong with him a bit harsh.
  • Sorry but I disagree, anyone who "likes" a tweet without reading the whole of a comment 280 characters long (or 251 in the case of the tweet in question) has a problem.

    As for dyslexia Gold didn't mention it when he apologised so I think we can discount that as an excuse.
  • Hamstew said:

    Is twitter good? Depends on who you ask I think. Twitter can be a nasty place full of trolls, hatred, racists etc... But then again I've seen missing people found and thousands and thousands of pounds raised for excellent causes.

    I think it’s just a reflection of our society. It’s amplified some bad things and amplified good things as well. Facebook is the same. So is WhatsApp. They’ve both been directly used to organise mob violence and worse. Instagram has probably the worst impact on young people’s mental healths because of how it’s about how you present yourself and is more personal. This is where I think footballers have been chasing clout as well. On the other hand, there are young photographers, activists and businesspeople who find massive use in it.

    Social media as a whole is just accelerating existing trends at a massive rate and we have to work out how to deal with them.
  • And on the other hand, I'm just reading 1984 :nonono:
  • Did we win many games then?
  • Hamstew said:



    Moojor this was the post he liked.

    This is a disgusting Tweet :angry:
  • And should face criminal proceedings...
  • It's nasty. But is it a crime ( should it be) to make disparaging comments about people?

    Isn't there a balance to be struck with free speech?

    It's not slander/ libel. It's not racist, sexist, homophobic. Personally I don't think 'being mean about somebody' should be a criminal offence.

    Does this tweet, however unpleasantly it reflects on the tweeter, really stray into the realms of crime?
  • MrsGrey

    Probably not. I wonder if it is some kind of discriminatory comment to attack someone’s mental health in that way?
  • edited February 2020
    Probably not. It's not discriminatory to make disparaging comments about someone's physical health. ( As long as it stops short of discrimination against a disability). So I'd have thought the same standards apply in terms of mental health?

    Edit- it's worth being clear about what is meant by discrimination, too, I think. Being nasty, insulting someone ... It's not the same as refusing to serve someone in a restaurant, or not hiring them, or putting excrement through the letterbox. :hmm:
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