Bobby Madley was sacked by the EPL

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/50960288

I really don't see how this works, or how the PL can get away with this

What he did was thoughtless, but was sent to a private individual,who understood the wider context of the message, from a personal phone. What has that got to do with his job or the pl? He's lost his living through the spite of a former friend, judged by men of whom some, I have no doubt, have gleefully swapped sexist and racist jokes, and/or watched internet pornography or 'stag' performances. Is the idea now that we must live blameless lives, at least as far as the public record is concerned? And let's not have any 'PC gone mad' nonsense, thanks, this is nothing to do with 'PC'.
baracks_a_hammer

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  • Have to agree to a certain extent, I think he’s been dealt a harsh lesson here, he was actually poking fun at himself but anyone should know in this day and age (smh) unfortunately it doesn’t matter the context some people will always take things the wrong way
  • As far as I’m aware, we’ve none of us seen the video. He says it was in jest, but I don’t know what he mocked. I don’t have a problem with someone being sacked for mocking the disabled, same as I don’t have a problem with someone being sacked for being racist, sexist, homophobic or anything else. I get what you’re saying, grey, but these things become a problem when employers find out about it. We can’t be not punishing or chastising people for poor behaviour just because other people are bad too, IMO.
    chicagohammer
  • edited January 1
    alderz

    I wasn't trying to make that point.

    If he had done it at work, of course he should be sacked. If he had circulated it to work colleagues, ditto. If he had done it identifiably as a PL employee (using a work phone or computer,) no problem.

    My point is that the video was entirely private, between two friends, and was created within a context that only they would properly appreciate.

    At times, in certain company, I make quips or comments that would be seen as offensive, without the context of my friendship group, or my well known stance on issues, So, I might make a comment that is apparently sexist, knowing full well that my friends will know that I am being ironic. However, if that were to be videoed and shown out of context, it would be easy to assume I was sexist.

    Should that be a potential sword forever hanging over my employment prospects? I don't believe so.

    Madely has recognised, with hindsight, that what he did was insensitive, and ill-judged. For me, an apology and, if thought necessary, sensitivity training would have been more than adequate. I absolutely don't think he deserved to be sacked.

    My referencing the behaviour of those sitting in judgement on him was really to suggest 'let him who is without sin...'
    baracks_a_hammerwhupathmanMrsGreyBubblesNeverDies
  • edited January 1
    I do get what you’re saying, but I would again suggest that we don’t know the context either way. His employers have made a decision based on seeing a video that we haven’t. The only information we have is what BM has said about it, and, perhaps unsurprisingly, he paints himself in a fairly hard done by light.

    If you (the royal you, not you specifically) were to make a video with your friends in which you used racist language ironically, then imo you don’t really have a leg to stand on, and again imo, rightly so.

    It does seem odd that it’s only come out because he fell out with his friend, though.
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    alderz


    At times, in certain company, I make quips or comments that would be seen as offensive, without the context of my friendship group, or my well known stance on issues, So, I might make a comment that is apparently sexist, knowing full well that my friends will know that I am being ironic. However, if that were to be videoed and shown out of context, it would be easy to assume I was sexist.

    ..'

    Exactly this

    Does this mean that Grey should be sacked from his employment? And many millions of others who may have done likewise?

    Does it also mean that if I have a message in my phone which can be interpreted in a certain way from a friend of mine who I no longer get on with, that I can send it to their employer and demand they be sacked?

    He should have taken this to court and had it tested under uk employment law.
    BubblesNeverDies
  • Sorry, alderz, are you suggesting that if I make a racist, sexist or homophobic comment, in the full intention of being ironic, and opposing such views,that I should not only castigated, but potentially sacked? So if i say, ironically, to people who know I am opposed to all forms of discrimination, 'well yeah, I mean, she should be home doing the ironing,' that is enough for you to think I am sexist, and should be sacked if it comes to the attention of my employer?
  • I think grey should step down as a Mod just in case :lol:
    grey_til_I_dyeMrsGreyBubblesNeverDiesKuchinghammer
  • Did Madleys mate demand he be sacked then?
  • edited January 1
    Cuz, Yes, position no longer tenable following these admissions.
    Cuz1BubblesNeverDies
  • I think it was truly Madley deeply disturbing.... Depending on errm actually I just wanted to type the pun. Withdrawing sheepishly now :whistle: Its 229am new years and I have been more sober and a lot more smart
    Kuchinghammer
  • Sorry, alderz, are you suggesting that if I make a racist, sexist or homophobic comment, in the full intention of being ironic, and opposing such views,that I should not only castigated, but potentially sacked? So if i say, ironically, to people who know I am opposed to all forms of discrimination, 'well yeah, I mean, she should be home doing the ironing,' that is enough for you to think I am sexist, and should be sacked if it comes to the attention of my employer?

    No, I’m not suggesting that, and I think you’re extending my point to the extremities to poke holes.

    Do I think if you were filmed mocking someone over their ethnicity or disability or sexuality that you could find yourself in hot water? Yes.

    Do I think that a very, very mild joke among friends should lead to you being sacked? No.

    Again, I’ll repeat that nobody here has seen the video (though please tell me if I’m wrong on that). He’s made it sound like a bit of banter with his mate, but none of us know what he said or did. His employers do, and clearly they’ve made a judgment call.
  • Hope he gave his “mate” a few choice words as well
  • He's still waiting for VAR :whistle:
    whupathmanMrsGreyDodger58
  • alderz

    Honestly not looking to poke holes or be clever, just trying to clarify what I mean, and what you mean.
  • alderz

    Honestly not looking to poke holes or be clever, just trying to clarify what I mean, and what you mean.

    :ok: it’s definitely a tricky subject, and I think it’s good we can try and examine from multiple angles
  • If we begin to lose our jobs due to personal communication the world will not be worth living in. The idea of a confidant, someone of trust whom you can speak openly to without fear of disclosure and consequence would be a thing of the past as you would have to treat every text and email as though it were published publicly. At the moment if a confidant betrays our trust it may cause some embarrassment but when someone can report us to our employer for a private conversation however misjudged it becomes sad.

    There are of course a few exceptions which would be police officers engaging in criminal behaviour or politicians also contravening obligations for their specific role, due to gravitas of their position.
    BubblesNeverDiesExpat_Hammer

  • There are of course a few exceptions which would be police officers engaging in criminal behaviour or politicians also contravening obligations for their specific role, due to gravitas of their position.

    This is what makes me mad as common sense has gone out of the window, I think we all agree with the comment above and yet the President of the United States publically mocked a disabled reporter, on a podium, in front of a live crowd and national television, and yet seemed to suffer no consequences whatsoever, apart from some negative comments dismissed as political partisanship
    Dodger58BubblesNeverDiesMrsGreyKuchinghammer
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