Summer 2018 - The Rebuild and The Recovery

baracks_a_hammer

Whether we need a “hugill” type striker within our squad can be debated at great length

What (to me) is a lot clearer is that if a club like ours has an alleged transfer budget of £30m you cannot spend £9m of it on a player who basically doesn’t play.

Adam

Carlton Cole would be a good replacement for Hugill if we need one. Pretty sure he hasn’t retired yet...

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

I think the entire football world retired him on his behalf.

grey_til_I_dye

We spent gross £40m on 2 players last summer. (£48m for the year.)

Just shy of £60m 16-17 (both windows.)

Just shy of £50m 15-16

Just over £40m 14-15

I don't think £30m gross spend is anywhere near our limit, if the club thinks the players are worth it.

OldCastleSwift

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes said:

I think the entire football world retired him on his behalf.

Any excuse

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years

For the summer, i'd assume our gross spend would be around £50mil

Nowadays that gets you 2/3 players..........Swansea wanted £50mil for Mawson in the summer

Can't imagine too many of our players will be sold for good money given how short we are already

What we need

GK (or 2)
RB
CM (or 2)
CB
Winger

5 players, so looking at £10mil per player which these days isn't gonna get you much

Which why I'm in such favour of fredericks on a free and Shaqiri

OldCastleSwift

Champo ;ok

£12m for the pair. Great deal that, IMO.

Pretty sure Hernandez is on his way out so he'll cover that cost with some money to spare, so £50m left to spend on a dynamic CM, a DM and a striker to replace the Pea as a minimum.

Easy, this chairman lark.

SuzanneClaret

grey_til_I_dye said:

Suze

OK, but postage is extra. ;wink

Oh, the deal is off then ;whome

OldCastleSwift

Nice one Grey.

Our biggest investor has just pulled out.

#greyout

;wink

MrsGrey

Adam said:

Carlton Cole would be a good replacement for Hugill if we need one. Pretty sure he hasn’t retired yet...

Retired.
https://www.whufc.com/news/articles/2018/march/29-march/carlton-cole-calls-west-ham-fans-get-behind-team-he-hangs-his

MrsGrey

Yeoldhammer said:

Going by the PL Fantasy football on Total points

the 4 best defenders outside the top 6. (currently)

Maguire / Hegazi / Mawson / Cresswell

the 4 best midfielders

Mahrez / GroB / Shaqiri / Milivojevic

the 2 best strikers

Vardy / Rooney

I'm assuming you aren't really serious.

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

The defenders are on there because they score goals or, in Cresswell's case, assist goals. I can categorically say Cresswell is not one of the best defenders outside the top 6...

MrsGrey

Mahrez and Milivojevic - on pens.

Plus, the (top secret) bonus points algorithm will have a big part to play.

Hopefully our revamped scouting system will have a more sophisticated approach to identifying a assessing targets .... ;pray

OldCastleSwift

Our revamped scouting system will be Sully buying Jack FM2018

Pearces_Left_Foot

OCS he will probably get FM2016 its a cheaper and a real bargain lol

alderz

If we want to go by FM2018, then I have a suggestion for a dynamic CM:

Jeando Fuchs, who plays for FC Sochaux-Montbéliard. He's 20, played for the France youth squads, has a contract that expires next summer, and has been brilliant for me on football manager ;bowdown They are Ligue 2, but recent imports from that division have done rather well in England.

PrestonHammer

But Alderz, is that because he's a good player or is it because you're a good manager?

alderz

PrestonHammer said:

But Alderz, is that because he's a good player or is it because you're a good manager?

Clearly I am a big factor. But he has been impressive regardless.

Adam

MrsGrey said:

Adam said:

Carlton Cole would be a good replacement for Hugill if we need one. Pretty sure he hasn’t retired yet...

Retired.
https://www.whufc.com/news/articles/2018/march/29-march/carlton-cole-calls-west-ham-fans-get-behind-team-he-hangs-his

The more you know

Vorselaarhammer

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

Lanzini - going - LFC

IMO

Yeoldhammer

You know we are lining up has been yaya toure....

Lukerz

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard said:

Lanzini - going - LFC

IMO

Tbh, after the last two years, I wouldn’t be overly bothered, especially this season.

I think if we were to sell him for £30m+, reinvest that money and make Arnie our new star man and No.10, it would be good business for us.

ASLEFshrugged

Yeoldhammer said:

You know we are lining up has been yaya toure....

I heard he was going to Everton

Yeoldhammer

Lukerz said:

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard said:

Lanzini - going - LFC

IMO

Tbh, after the last two years, I wouldn’t be overly bothered, especially this season.

I think if we were to sell him for £30m+, reinvest that money and make Arnie our new star man and No.10, it would be good business for us.

But they will not reinvest it ..... we would be throwing a player away that actually fits the right bracket of age that we need to get players in for. Most of our squad is hitting 30 and over. !

Vorselaarhammer

Scoring hasn't been the problem this season with or without Lanzini.

I like him and would want him to stay but if we use the money to bring in a couple of proper DM then I would be ok.

Our MF exposes our defence time and again.

ASLEFshrugged

Yeoldhammer said:

But they will not reinvest it ..... we would be throwing a player away that actually fits the right bracket of age that we need to get players in for. Most of our squad is hitting 30 and over. !

You're not wrong. Collins, if he stays, will be 35 in August while Zabaletta will be 34 and Adrian will be 32 in January. Noble celebrated his 31st birthday on Tuesday

Oggy will be 30 in 12 days, Hernandez and Reid will both turn 30 over the summer

Carroll and Arnie will be 30 before the end of next season

Creswell, Kouyate and Antonio will be 29 before the end of next season

Not that 30 is old for footballers these days, they're a lot fitter than they used to be

Pearces_Left_Foot

Linked with Aaron Mooy /Miguel Layun / Badou Ndiaye in today's gossip

Yeoldhammer

ASLEFshrugged said:

Yeoldhammer said:

But they will not reinvest it ..... we would be throwing a player away that actually fits the right bracket of age that we need to get players in for. Most of our squad is hitting 30 and over. !

You're not wrong. Collins, if he stays, will be 35 in August while Zabaletta will be 34 and Adrian will be 32 in January. Noble celebrated his 31st birthday on Tuesday

Oggy will be 30 in 12 days, Hernandez and Reid will both turn 30 over the summer

Carroll and Arnie will be 30 before the end of next season

Creswell, Kouyate and Antonio will be 29 before the end of next season

Not that 30 is old for footballers these days, they're a lot fitter than they used to be

But for a team that wants to be challenging for the top honours and competing at the highest level, how can you long term plan if the majority of your first team squad is late 30 and over, you will be forever be playing catchup to replace them. You're not going to be able to move forwards if all you are doing is playing catchup.

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years

Is a bit worrying, but its a job that'll take a few years as weve seen what happens when you go for quantiity over quality (summer 16)

Shaqiri - 26
Traore -22
Fredericks - 25
Dendocker - 23
Cairney - 27

Players weve been linked with,all pretty good age profiles of either being at their prime (cairney/shaqiri) or coming into it