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OldCastleSwift

jorderz, re Sulliy

No-one is knocking him for being ambitious. I like that he's ambitious. Problem is, he and DG don't have the finances to match these ambitions, and, IMO at least, he should maybe temper his ambitions when speaking publicly.

Just my view ;ok

baracks_a_hammer

We don’t need a striker right now imo. We do need a decent winger. I would forget Cairney and go all out for Maddison

And a specialist dm - still an unfilled position ever since Nordveit left. Maybe they won’t bother if they think zab can play there.

The owners just before the window had indicated around 3 new faces with funds available for them (?) in theory those same funds should be available plus £20m from Sakho and Ayew (if he goes)

Yet the feeling is that they’ve pretty much been after loan to buys. Loan to buy for players and try before you buy even for the manager - if they don’t trust themselves at signing players or managers maybe they should employee a proper D of F to do it? Crazy way of going about things IMO

OldCastleSwift

Belgian media reporting we've had a bid for Dendoncker turned down. Also saying if they don't get the £20m they want for him he'll stay until the summer.

https://twitter.com/HLNinEngeland

Adam

baracks_a_hammer said:

And a specialist dm - still an unfilled position ever since Nordveit left.

Since Nordveit? I know we’ve struggled for a quality defensive midfielder for a while but I don’t think Nordveit is the standard we are aspiring towards!

He played 16 PL games for us and only 8 at DM!

baracks_a_hammer

I’m not saying he set the world alight - however he was a specialist dm who left and not replaced

MrsGrey

baracks_a_hammer said:

The owners just before the window had indicated around 3 new faces with funds available for them (?) in theory those same funds should be available plus £20m from Sakho and Ayew (if he goes)

Maybe the funds availaibe for the '2 or 3' signings were inclusive of what they expected to get for the 2 they planned to offload.

Vorselaarhammer

So as I understand.... Mid day round up...

-Leicester want £30m for Slimani. We want him on loan

-Lille want £12.5m for their captain, Amadou. We want him on loan.

-Krasnodar want £15m for their captain, Smolov. We want him on loan.

-Fulham won't sell Cairney, we have bid £18m.

grey_til_I_dye

I think we were far more in need of a specialist DM when Slav was with us, and it felt like teams were driving a coach and horses through our MF and defense at will.

Since Moyes has come, we seem far more organised defensively as a team. Looking at Zab yesterday (one game, I know, but the bloke is quality) he looked far more capable than just a 'stand in' in that position.

It might be a position we could do with filling, but I would say it could wait for the summer.

TwistandShout

;tumbleweed

MrsGrey

***A general plea***

Please can everyone just pause before hitting 'quote' when responding to a post, and think if it is necessary... usually, a reference to the poster will be sufficient, rather than a blockquote of a huge chunk of text. Thanks ;beer

TwistandShout

MrsGrey said:

***A general plea***

Please can everyone just pause before hitting 'quote' when responding to a post, and think if it is necessary... usually, a reference to the poster will be sufficient, rather than a blockquote of a huge chunk of text. Thanks ;beer

Ok ;ok

ASLEFshrugged

baracks_a_hammer said:

Sturridge wanted West Brom for personal/family reasons

He's a Brummie so makes sense

MrsGrey

Gotta work now. back in two hours. Will we have signed anyone? ;run

baracks_a_hammer

Apparently Fleetwood town have put on their twitter feed that they had lodged a club record bid for Mahrez but then decided to withdraw once they became aware of Man City’s interest ;lol

TwistandShout

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

No, it isn't. That's how negotiation works. You start low, they start high, you meet somewhere in the middle.

baracks_a_hammer

Or alternatively you start low they start high, don’t agree anything, then after the event deny there was ever a bid and call each other names.

OldCastleSwift

So you're buying a house.

It's on the market for £300,000.

No-one in their right mind offers £150,000 for it.

If, as reported, Anderlecht have already said this month that he can go for £20m, then fair enough, try £15m to test their resolve, but half the asking price?

Seems insulting to me.

Lukerz

IronHerb said:

Lukerz said:

There was me thinking signings players from lower level PL sides was going to be a piece of cake after Sully said the new stadium would make us seem like a ‘top club’ when selling ourselves to new players.

Oh well.

Then if we did sign players from lower level PL sides you would have said "How's that the next level?' Damned if you do.......

I wouldn’t, not if they improved the team.

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

It isn't like buying a house because a house has a publicised price. It's a more flexible commodity whose value is really determined by a lot of factors.

At the end of the day a footballer is worth what somebody will pay for them. There is no universal measure or price listing to judge it by.

OldCastleSwift

Dendoncker has a publicised price.

His current owner has said he'll cost £20m.

Yes, they may let him go for a bit less, but do you really think they'd consider accepting half what they value him at?

whupathman

Does Dendoncker come with off street parking, that impacts the price ;lol

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

But the £20 million is basically the opening play of the negotiation.

No negotiator in their right mind pays the first amount straight away, unless they are a super wealthy institution.

I'm an agent myself (not football) and negotiate every day. It's industry-understood that your first move is exceptionally high/low. Everybody involved in the negotiation knows this is a move to a) show you aren't desperate and b) to show your second/third/fourth offer in a much more reasonable light.

TwistandShout

This site is so tiring at times.

Anyway still linked with the Russian striker. Valuation is 12m

alderz

re: Sturridge

He'll probably get 15 goals for WBA and keep them up. But if he'd signed for us you can absolutely 100% guarantee he would've broken his entire body in his first training session and the owners would get pelters.

He's a huge risk, and I think if we had signed him people would say we haven't learned our lesson from signing injury prone strikers from Liverpool.

Pearces_Left_Foot

Depends when the first bid was ,if it was at the start of the window before they said £20 mil . If a house is on the market for £300,000 it might be massively overvalued and that's why no one has bought it . I don't know who Sam Inkersole is but I am not sure I believe him seems like a click bait report

brookingsirons

Sorry to say but I did say at Christmas
We was never going to buy anyone
Only loan deals this window.
Those 2

brookingsirons

Clowns only in it for themselves not the club .

TwistandShout

PLF, he works for Football London, which i think is the 'standard'. He goes to all the pee/post match conferences so id be pretty sure he has contacts at the club.

OldCastleSwift

I'm an agent myself (not football) and negotiate every day. It's industry-understood that your first move is exceptionally high/low. Everybody involved in the negotiation knows this is a move to a) show you aren't desperate and b) to show your second/third/fourth offer in a much more reasonable light.

But is that not a monumental waste of time? I mean, if both parties know that the first offer is always derisory, why even bother? Not being flippant, just interested. What industry do you work in Jorderz?