The new manager hunt (was the Moyes thread) only 3 days to wait...

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  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    edited November 2017
    grey_til_I_dye said:

    Yeoldhammer said:

    Going backwards

    From where? When did we ever go 'forwards'? The Payet season was clearly an outlier, rather than the norm/benchmark.

    We'd struggle to be much worse than we have been for the last year or so.
    Oh believe me it can very much get worse, speak to Aston Villa / Sunderland / Wigan / Blackburn / Bolton fans
  • madridhammermadridhammer
    Not my first choice but welcome Mr Moyes. Save us from relegation & you'll be a hero. Now let's get behind him. COYI!!!
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    edited November 2017
    Yeold

    All five of those clubs have been/are continuing to be in some cases appalling run.

    I don not believe we are in the same ball park as them.

  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Jeez, we'll be playing Ebbsfleet next.
  • HammerlegendHammerlegend
    Hi all, been a long time since I last posted a message, but have been viewing this forum regularly. As previous posters has mention think this forum gives a good balance view on our beloved hammers issue. This is my thoughts on the issue. Moyes is not my first choice, but will give him a chance and get behind him. reading and seeing the views from other hammer supporters I think if he does not get of to a good start think they will turn quickly. At this moment in time, I think he is the type of manager we need. It does look like this team could do with some organisation and raising the squad fitness levels and I think Moyes will do that. I hope Moyes gets of to a good start to hopefully start the process of winning over the fans.
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    If this backfires it will likely be one of two reasons

    1 ) the whole club and it’s owners are one big circus act and the whole place is toxic (which I guess some fans may believe to be the case) - in another words another Sunderland

    2 ) Moyes himself is a complete disaster as a manager (which many fans believe to be the case)
  • CleverTrevorCleverTrevor
    ;quaver David Moyes' Claret and Blue Army ;quaver

    It's gonna take a long time before that feels comfortable - but I'm up for it! ;scarf
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Slav never got it.
  • PrestonHammerPrestonHammer
    You know what, I think he will do well. By the end of the season I reckon we will be comfortably mid table, maybe even top 10.
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    Preston

    You'd have to hope so.

    The bottom half of the table this year is full of pretty mediocre teams, and our squad should be better than most of them over a season.
  • jay_in_cptjay_in_cpt
    Been watching loads of live PL shows today, very few think we have made a wise decision apart from his ex players and odd few...
    He has failed at his last 3 clubs, anyone arguing that , well sorry IMO it's fact...
    But I still will give him the benefit, for now...
    But I do fear this is a huge mistake
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    jay_in_cpt said:

    Been watching loads of live PL shows today, very few think we have made a wise decision apart from his ex players and odd few..

    ;hmm So, people who have actually worked with him?
  • jay_in_cptjay_in_cpt
    edited November 2017
    Well yeh, the Everton ex army..
    Didn't see any ex Sunderland or his Spanish team , or even Man U for that matter, so we going back to quite a few years who actually worked with him, apart from
    Charlie Adam ;doh
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    He has failed at his last 3 clubs, anyone arguing that , well sorry IMO it's fact...
    This does need context.

    He 'failed' at Man Utd by not being as good as Red Nose but was in fact better than VanGrumpy. I'd have been please to finish the season where they did under Moyes.

    He 'failed' in Spain but not many British managers excel over there.

    He 'failed' at Sunderland along with many many others - Sunderland's fall is all down to their owners and the way the club is run.
  • Cuz1Cuz1
    I hope he doesn’t fail here because of our owners and how our club is run then suze,
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    If he does fail here then it wont (imho) be because of G/S/B and how the club is run.

    Bilic failed and that (imho) had little to *nothing to do with G/S/B and how the club is run.

    *I am aware others in here will disagree.

  • jay_in_cptjay_in_cpt
    edited November 2017
    He said he "deeply regrets" making the comment and later apologised to Sparks, who did not make a complaint.

    Writing in her Sun column in April, West Ham's vice-chairman Karren Brady said Moyes' words were "just another brilliant example of the pressure women are under to laugh off these everyday moments of sexism as a joke".

    She added: "The threat to give someone a slap, no matter how you look at it, is aggressive. It is not banter. And it is not OK.

    "I would like to think that any man who worked for me - no matter how wound up they feel by a reporter who is simply doing her job well - would not threaten to slap a woman.

    "One of things I find most objectionable in this whole story is his reference to Sparks as being a 'girl', when he said he had apologised to her.

    "She's not a girl. She is a woman and a professional. To call someone a girl is belittling, disrespectful and a real indication that you don't see her as an equal.

    "Hopefully the penny has dropped for him that it's not OK to patronise, intimidate and threaten women and treat them as if they are imposters in a man's world."

    This taken from
    The beeb today , so I guess that Ms Brady took some convincing or accepted he realised he mucked up...
    Suzanne, I understand where u coming from but still no change in end result ...
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    edited November 2017
    Said the woman who writes for the Sun....

    You can not choose when to have morals and when to not, or when to be offended and when to turn a blind eye.
  • brookingsironsbrookingsirons
    i think he has something to prove and i do honestly believe he will make us hard to beat and more solid formation going forward in packs not the whole team chasing the ball around like we have seen this season under Bilic.

    The Liverpool game was a classic example leaving only cresswell back for there 3rd 4th goal's madness , if your legs cannot get you back you shouldn't go forward imo

    It will be the same end result until he gets the defenders playing together not as individuals .
  • jay_in_cptjay_in_cpt
    SuzanneClaret said:

    Said the woman who writes for the Sun....

    You can not choose when to have morals and when to not, or when to be offended and when to turn a blind eye.

    I
    Just think
    It's ironic we end up hiring him
  • stevesteve
    ;hmm How about we put all our defenders into a dark room ,lock the door for 48 hours and see if they bond ,or we put all the players in there and see what happens ;biggrin
  • brookingsironsbrookingsirons
    steve we need to introduce them to each other first as the way they have been playing its impossible they actually know each other by name ...
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    I don't Jay, I believe KB will always put business before anything else.

  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    Lord knows, women have a far harder time than men in the world, so I have every sympathy with Brady's general position, but in that particular instance I think she has got the wrong end of the stick.

    Moyes may have been stupid, but wasn't, imo, being sexist.

    In fact, you could argue that he was treating the reporter exactly as he would a man, and ignoring her sex altogether.

    And as Suze says, not sure a genuine feminist would find it in them to write for the Sun.
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    grey_til_I_dye said:

    In fact, you could argue that he was treating the reporter exactly as he would a man, and ignoring her sex altogether.

    Excellent point Grey ;ok
  • Cuz1Cuz1
    I still believe it was just banter but gone are the days where you can actually go to work and say something as banter and get blown out of proportion, I’ve had things said by women and men to me as banter and taken it that way saw the interview and still believe that it was a joke to a remark she made
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    Utter nonsense Cuz!

    Sexism - be it low level or not - is NOT BANTER!

    It is for many women, intimidating and belittling.
  • Cuz1Cuz1
    We all have opinions maybe I should have used the words tongue in cheek, I really don’t believe it was meant as sexism but only my opinion
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited November 2017
    I don't think the original comment (re slap) was sexist, but I do have sympathy with KBs dislike of the idea that 'slapping' someone (of any gender) could be funny, and I'm never keen on 'girls' as a term when women would be more accurate and less belittling. Football, though, is tricky in that regard, as the men are often 'boys' .. so it can (in some circumstances and scenarios) be a consistent usage. (Never 'Ladies' though - hate that!)

    I do think context is important. And the relationship between the principals ... I understand DM and the journalist are friends, so what he said has to be taken in that context too - there may be an in-joke, for example.

    For me, it is clear he misjudged the tone to take in a professional/work setting. Further than that, I can't go. I did, though, feel that it was jumped on by the press and there was a lot of faux outrage expressed. Not so say hypocritical, in some cases.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited November 2017
    suz/cuz.. my take on it is I think someone may not mean it as sexism, and think its only banter. They'd be wrong. Banter doesn't prevent it being sexist, racist etc. But if someone did only mean it as a joke/banter, I'd hope that when the insulting aspect of the comment was pointed out, rather than respond with 'its just banter, no sense of humour, you can't say anything these days' type rejoinder, they'd just say sorry.
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